Question about mice and frogs.

[onedge30]

I'm going to try the fresh water fishes. I have to drive very far to get live crickets. But minnows, wax worms, and nightcrawlers are avalible year round since I live in a fishing vacation spot. I do drive 80 miles round trip to get 100 crix for month. Trying to breed them. We'll see bout that. But--these fish are bread for fishing purposes (but seem healthier that Petco's) and are clean of disease. So this article helped quite a bit-- I want my whites to be BIG

Whites are tree frogs. Think what they would eat. I don't think fish would be very high on the list. I would think insects(roaches, crickets, mealworms) would be first. I would only use fish for less than 20% of the overall diet. What about ordering crickets or giant mealworms? They can be delivered to your door, cheaply. I can keep giant mealworms in a 5 gal bucket for months.

[Leefrogs]

all my friends want to buy my whites a pinkie. No way, too gross. If they wana see a rodent get eaten, they can buy my python a rat. And I worry bout impaction with the meal worms, looked at supperworms same thing. I wasn't going to go all fish. Most of all I was responding to franks comment. Whites were in his list of frogs he feeds fish. I think the bait shop as a great variety of sizes also, from 1/2 inch up to sturgeon size bait. I tried to get local bait distributer to order me some crix or roaches, but that's a southern fishing thing. He just looked at me funny and laughed. I wonder how much more he wouldve laughed if I told him what it's for.

[Greg M]

I have encountered some field studies looking at the stomach contents of horned frogs, in particular, C. cornuta. Vertebrates appear to constitute a significant portion of the diet in terms of mass. In Duellman, W.E. & M. Lizana (1994) Biology of a sit-and-wait predator, the leptodactylid frog Ceratophrys cornuta. Herpetologica 50 (1): 51-64., for example, frogs constitute about 17% and rodents 34% of the stomach contents by mass. Clearly, vertebrates are an important food/calorie source for certain species of frogs. There is also a paper entitled "The diet of Ceratophrys ornata (Anura: Ceratophryidae) in Argentina", which I have not been able to look at directly, that supposedly comes to a similar conclusion.

My opinion, submitted humbly considering the posts of experts like Frank, is that rodents are just fine as a component of a balanced diet for certain species of frogs and toads. My belief is that excessive caloric intake may be the real culprit, as I have read reports that frogs fed a diet consisting solely of insects have still developed corneal opacities.

Hopefully, I haven't just painted a big bulls-eye on my bottom !

Greg

[Malachi]

Yes, you can tell just by their body structure. HUGE mouths able to eat very large prey items. The wild rodents may however be much leaner than the lab mice feeders.

[Beardo]

The comment about feeding only mammals causing issues with calcium deficiency is untrue. Rodents and other vertebrates have tons of natural calcium in their bones.....why do you think calcium supplements are not needed for snakes?

The big concern with feeding rodents is the high fat content, which in a largely sedentary animal such as a Pixie/Pacman Frog, can cause complications.

[chris2pher]

i feed chubz mice due to the large amount of bugs he can eat in one sitting. two pre killed mice a week with vita dusting every other week =2X a month dusting's.

mice 2 for $4 and change.

crickets 100 for $10 and 100 crickets is a snack to chubz

worms 12 for $6 and 12 worms is a snack to chubz

to see just how much he could eat i once gave him one mouse after the other to see when he would stop and lets say after mouse number 4 i had to cut him off or i knew he would kill himself. even now he seems so hungry after his 2 mice feedings and its crazy how he attacks me for food, these frogs are feeding pits

[Chomp]

i feed chubz mice due to the large amount of bugs he can eat in one sitting. two pre killed mice a week with vita dusting every other week =2X a month dusting's.

mice 2 for $4 and change.

crickets 100 for $10 and 100 crickets is a snack to chubz

worms 12 for $6 and 12 worms is a snack to chubz

to see just how much he could eat i once gave him one mouse after the other to see when he would stop and lets say after mouse number 4 i had to cut him off or i knew he would kill himself. even now he seems so hungry after his 2 mice feedings and its crazy how he attacks me for food, these frogs are feeding pits

why does he need two mice a week? thats way too much. Also not all of these frogs eat that much. I know of males who lose their hunger alot over time and rarely want to eat. I also know of females who are more aggressive and hungrier.

[chris2pher]

why does he need two mice a week?

i never said he needs 2 mice a week, i just feel that 2 is still under feeding from his reactions.

[willtilian]

my other male is getting only one a week but my Hannibal I gave him one and i had one more that i was feeding to my beardie he didnt want it was my first time giving him a mouse so i gave it to Hannibal, he ate 100 more crickets

[Spurrelli]

One aspect not mentioned in this thread is hypervitaminosis A.

http://aark.portal.isis.org/Research...0nutrition.pdf

/J