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Went out and bought some of Zoomeds jumbo Can o' Grasshoppers, to try. Nice size feeders. About 2 inches plus, but little can, only 1.2 oz or 16(?) grasshoppers. It lasted me two days with 3 juvenile frogs. I would need the bonus pounder pack to even get started!!
Re: Question about mice and frogs.
Did they like them Jeff? I thought about doing that with Chubbz. I remember John(Clare) saying something about them being less nutritious since they're cooked(in the can).
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Kevin, yea, they did like them. But again, unless I can get quantity - even cost is high. They are 'juicy' in the can!
Chubbz would eat the whole can for a snack!
Re: Question about mice and frogs.
I'm going to try the fresh water fishes. I have to drive very far to get live crickets. But minnows, wax worms, and nightcrawlers are avalible year round since I live in a fishing vacation spot. I do drive 80 miles round trip to get 100 crix for month. Trying to breed them. We'll see bout that. But--these fish are bread for fishing purposes (but seem healthier that Petco's) and are clean of disease. So this article helped quite a bit-- I want my whites to be BIG
Re: Question about mice and frogs.
Whites are tree frogs. Think what they would eat. I don't think fish would be very high on the list. I would think insects(roaches, crickets, mealworms) would be first. I would only use fish for less than 20% of the overall diet. What about ordering crickets or giant mealworms? They can be delivered to your door, cheaply. I can keep giant mealworms in a 5 gal bucket for months.Originally Posted by Leefrogs
I'm going to try the fresh water fishes. I have to drive very far to get live crickets. But minnows, wax worms, and nightcrawlers are avalible year round since I live in a fishing vacation spot. I do drive 80 miles round trip to get 100 crix for month. Trying to breed them. We'll see bout that. But--these fish are bread for fishing purposes (but seem healthier that Petco's) and are clean of disease. So this article helped quite a bit-- I want my whites to be BIG
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all my friends want to buy my whites a pinkie. No way, too gross. If they wana see a rodent get eaten, they can buy my python a rat. And I worry bout impaction with the meal worms, looked at supperworms same thing. I wasn't going to go all fish. Most of all I was responding to franks comment. Whites were in his list of frogs he feeds fish. I think the bait shop as a great variety of sizes also, from 1/2 inch up to sturgeon size bait. I tried to get local bait distributer to order me some crix or roaches, but that's a southern fishing thing. He just looked at me funny and laughed. I wonder how much more he wouldve laughed if I told him what it's for.
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I have encountered some field studies looking at the stomach contents of horned frogs, in particular, C. cornuta. Vertebrates appear to constitute a significant portion of the diet in terms of mass. In Duellman, W.E. & M. Lizana (1994) Biology of a sit-and-wait predator, the leptodactylid frog Ceratophrys cornuta. Herpetologica 50 (1): 51-64., for example, frogs constitute about 17% and rodents 34% of the stomach contents by mass. Clearly, vertebrates are an important food/calorie source for certain species of frogs. There is also a paper entitled "The diet of Ceratophrys ornata (Anura: Ceratophryidae) in Argentina", which I have not been able to look at directly, that supposedly comes to a similar conclusion.
My opinion, submitted humbly considering the posts of experts like Frank, is that rodents are just fine as a component of a balanced diet for certain species of frogs and toads. My belief is that excessive caloric intake may be the real culprit, as I have read reports that frogs fed a diet consisting solely of insects have still developed corneal opacities.
Hopefully, I haven't just painted a big bulls-eye on my bottom!
Greg
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i feed chubz mice due to the large amount of bugs he can eat in one sitting. two pre killed mice a week with vita dusting every other week =2X a month dusting's.
mice 2 for $4 and change.
crickets 100 for $10 and 100 crickets is a snack to chubz
worms 12 for $6 and 12 worms is a snack to chubz
to see just how much he could eat i once gave him one mouse after the other to see when he would stop and lets say after mouse number 4 i had to cut him off or i knew he would kill himself. even now he seems so hungry after his 2 mice feedings and its crazy how he attacks me for food, these frogs are feeding pits
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I'm going to try the fresh water fishes. I have to drive very far to get live crickets. But minnows, wax worms, and nightcrawlers are avalible year round since I live in a fishing vacation spot. I do drive 80 miles round trip to get 100 crix for month. Trying to breed them. We'll see bout that. But--these fish are bread for fishing purposes (but seem healthier that Petco's) and are clean of disease. So this article helped quite a bit-- I want my whites to be BIG
you can ordered crickets like 1thousand online for cheaper then it prolly would be to drive 80miles just fyi and easier to breed that amount
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With respect to hypervitaminosis A, my opinion is that this shouldn't be a problem if you are feeding mice as part of a well-balanced diet (as Cookie Monster says, a "sometimes food"). Ironically, I specifically include mice in the diet of my Woodhouse's toads because they tend to develop hypovitaminosis A ("short-tongue syndrome"/squamous epithelium). I don't think it is reasonable to feed a diet purely of mice. My thesis is simply that over-feeding/obesity are the real cuprits behind corneal opacities and other health issues often attributed to the feeding of mice. Frogs overfed insects develop these issues too.
With respect to feeder fish, as I mentioned in another thread, in one study, chytrid was detected in hatchery ponds (which are often frequented by amphibians) and the recommendation was to consider the fish (and water, etc.) as contaminated and therefore potential carriers of chytrid. My personal guess is that hatchery ponds in areas where chytrid is present are very likely to be contaminated. Fisheries don't test for chytrid because it doesn't affect fish. I would be cautious...
As a side issue, from my reading, it is likely that fish stocking (along with the concomitant transfer of contaminated water, fish and microbes) is a highly significant issue in the spread of chytrid... Will take this up in another thread...
Re: Question about mice and frogs.
I purchased 22 baby green tree frogs (hyla cinerea) for $40 bucks from a local breeder and I feed them to my two Stoltzmanni's once a week. I found the breeder on craigs list. They are pretty small but my frogs aren't very big. It provides for a balanced diet. I would try the baby chicks but I think they would be too big for my frogs. I've never fed pinkies but a random one on a rare occasion wouldn't hurt. I think the point with any frog is too feed as many different food items as possible. As long as that food item is something that they would eat in the wild. Other frogs are a main food source for larger frogs in the wild. We culture insects and worms why not other frogs for our large mouthed frogs?
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