White's Tree Frog concerns, please help.

[kittiekuddles]

my frog has been brown since i got hm. he is an american green tree frog. i wish he was green, i dont believe the theory of the more green the greener it will be. i have alot of green and he is still brown

i dont think it has to do with greenery either, it has to do with temp and humidity
unless he is just a brown variety?
i have whites tree frogs so i dont know about american green tree frogs

[Kisa]

i dont think it has to do with greenery either, it has to do with temp and humidity
unless he is just a brown variety?
i have whites tree frogs so i dont know about american green tree frogs

I think all frogs are different.

My Bruce has experienced a wide range of temperature and humidity changes and combinations since I've brought him home (mostly due to a broken thermometer/hygrometer that I got with my kit :/) and all I've seen is a bit of color change on his legs and around his face, and that's only while he's in a deep slumber.

When I first set out to buy this type of frog I was really excited to bring home and bright green/blue baby frog that was lively and personable, but instead I got the exact opposite! I saw little Brucey sitting in a 5 gallon tank in the back of the pet shop, with nothing to climb and only a small hide for him to sleep in. He was surrounded by other reptiles and amphibians of all kinds, lots of snakes, cramped and lonely. I couldn't just leave him there! He was a light brown, fat, lazy, but the most adorable thing I have ever seen! I fell in love with him right away and brought him home. He might never turn all the way green (which is my favorite color) but I'll love him just the same. <3

[Leefrogs]

well I think I'm going to experiment a bit. I'm going to drop my humidity to 55/60 and see if kermit goes green again. Also been using spring water, going to treat it and wait and see. If he goes green, then I'm going to raise hum again. That way I know if it was water or the moisture. I miss the seafoam color. Also, I wanted to see if u all are gut loading crix, or using spray vitamins in the water, or both?? Just thinking if extra-extra vitamins might play on color. Thanks ladies

[kittiekuddles]

well I think I'm going to experiment a bit. I'm going to drop my humidity to 55/60 and see if kermit goes green again. Also been using spring water, going to treat it and wait and see. If he goes green, then I'm going to raise hum again. That way I know if it was water or the moisture. I miss the seafoam color. Also, I wanted to see if u all are gut loading crix, or using spray vitamins in the water, or both?? Just thinking if extra-extra vitamins might play on color. Thanks ladies

My humidity is 80% +
temp is 85 in the day, 73 at night
water bowl is tap water with reptile dechlor
dusted crickets only once since ive gotten them
I would imagine they need a more tropical environment? I mist their tank 5 times a week with RO water. tank is 90% covered glass with only a small portion in the back screened
like i said in the store they were brown..really brown, i thought they would stay that way. in nearly and instant they turned that seafoam green as soon as they landed in my setup. their skin is moist looking
i would look into increasing the humidity, not lowering it

[Kisa]

My humidity is 80% +
temp is 85 in the day, 73 at night
water bowl is tap water with reptile dechlor
dusted crickets only once since ive gotten them
I would imagine they need a more tropical environment? I mist their tank 5 times a week with RO water. tank is 90% covered glass with only a small portion in the back screened
like i said in the store they were brown..really brown, i thought they would stay that way. in nearly and instant they turned that seafoam green as soon as they landed in my setup. their skin is moist looking
i would look into increasing the humidity, not lowering it

How do you keep your humidity constant? Mine seems to drop steadily over the day and I have to keep misting to make sure it is high enough, I have two lamps and a heating pad that I stick to the side of my viv to keep the temperature up, it gets quite cold in my room during the winter.

Also, does anyone have thoughts about my Bruce sleeping through the night? I wake him up after lights out at 6.30 to feed him, he eats fine, even hunts, but just goes right back to sleep, even on nights I don't feed him. This seems very strange to me I need some advice, or at least an opinion or two please. Help would be GREATLY appreciated.

[kittiekuddles]

How do you keep your humidity constant? Mine seems to drop steadily over the day and I have to keep misting to make sure it is high enough, I have two lamps and a heating pad that I stick to the side of my viv to keep the temperature up, it gets quite cold in my room during the winter.

Also, does anyone have thoughts about my Bruce sleeping through the night? I wake him up after lights out at 6.30 to feed him, he eats fine, even hunts, but just goes right back to sleep, even on nights I don't feed him. This seems very strange to me I need some advice, or at least an opinion or two please. Help would be GREATLY appreciated.

Get a piece of glass for the top...oh but what kind of a tank is this? a basic 10 gallon glass? or one of those repti cages? If its a standard 10g get a glass lid and just place that over your screened lid (if thats what you have)
i would imagine the heat lamps are drying things up quickly, you might be better of with a 75 or 100 watt standard bulb over a glass lid (with some space in between so its not a fire hazard)
id ditch the heating pad
whats the temp in your room? keep his enclosure away from the window, could cause drafts.
lastly, id kinda leave him alone, you might be bugging him too much, dont pick him up or touch him, and dont feed him by hand, just dump the crickets in their and let him do his thing.
their not an exciting pet, they dont do much..sleeping is what they do best i think lol
he may just be a happy brown. ive seen big chunky healthy frogs on youtube and a few were brown sitting right next to their tank mates which were green..go figure
ok wait, is that him in your avatar? hes obese lol...hes adorable and looks healthy, i wouldnt worry about him..hes probably so full and exhausted from over eating. you feed him daily? maybe just twice a week is sufficient

[Leefrogs]

kitty, hope u got that thanks. People seem not to hand them out too much, so I hope it ups your rep, u diserve it. Maybe I should put some live prey in there, I'm just so scared there going to eat some of that spagaham* moss. I can't wait for spring so I can get some real stuff in. Are u paranoid of the moss? Maybe mine gone brown from lack of thrill of a hunt. Good point honey!!!

[Kisa]

Get a piece of glass for the top...oh but what kind of a tank is this? a basic 10 gallon glass? or one of those repti cages? If its a standard 10g get a glass lid and just place that over your screened lid (if thats what you have)
i would imagine the heat lamps are drying things up quickly, you might be better of with a 75 or 100 watt standard bulb over a glass lid (with some space in between so its not a fire hazard)
id ditch the heating pad
whats the temp in your room? keep his enclosure away from the window, could cause drafts.
lastly, id kinda leave him alone, you might be bugging him too much, dont pick him up or touch him, and dont feed him by hand, just dump the crickets in their and let him do his thing.
their not an exciting pet, they dont do much..sleeping is what they do best i think lol
he may just be a happy brown. ive seen big chunky healthy frogs on youtube and a few were brown sitting right next to their tank mates which were green..go figure
ok wait, is that him in your avatar? hes obese lol...hes adorable and looks healthy, i wouldnt worry about him..hes probably so full and exhausted from over eating. you feed him daily? maybe just twice a week is sufficient

His tank is a standard 10g with a screen top. I have one 50w day light that I keep on until 6.30pm and turn back on at 6.30am and a 50w infrared light that stays on all the time. I only have the heating pad on (it's attached to the side, not the bottom, it kept falling off :/) at night when it's especially cold.

The temp in my room usually stays between 65 and 75 degrees in the winter. I have a lot of heating problems in this room because of it's close proximity to the neighbors (I only get a slight breeze in the summer and rain slants in through the screen in the winter, and in California the weather is insane sometimes, hot AND cold.) His viv is across the room from the window and high up on top of my entertainment center (principle of rising heat).

Yeah I know I've been paying him way too much attention, my bad. >>; I've just read so many horror stories online about people buying pets from chain stores only to have them pass away, and I really don't want it to happen to me. This is the first time I've had a pet that I'm solely responsible for so I want to make sure I treat him well, but I suppose I'm being paranoid. I caved in and covered the front of the cage with a towel so he can't see me anymore and I can't see him, but I do check on him through the side every once and a while to see him sleeping like a log. :/

Usually I do just dump the crickets in his viv and let him go, but I do watch to make sure he doesn't choke (some of the are SO huge I get freaked out. ><) but I have to remove his hiding spot and the stone bridge because the crickets usually flock their and get to a place where he can't catch them and he forgets they're there.

Yes that is my tubby little Bruce. ; I brought him at the pet store that size and girl told me she was feeding him 5-8 crickets DAILY. I knew this was WAAY too much, the girl obviously didn't know what she was doing. >> But since I have cut it down to three crickets every two days. Do you think that's still too often for him to begin loosing weight? I don't want it to impede his climbing anymore than it already does. The one time I saw him climb, he attached himself to the glass but slowly slid down it until his butt was resting on the ground. Poor little fatty. Maybe once he looses some pounds he'll be more active? I think that's the general rule when it comes with frogs AND humans. XD

Thank you SO much for the suggestions, I'll try to find a glass screen for the tank lid (hopefully that doesn't make it too much hotter in there) and maybe feed him less? Is 3 crickets every 2 days too much?

[Leefrogs]

as soon as I get to a real computer upload my picts. It's way tropical. 8 real plants, humidity is 70 day, 80 at night. One was green, and as I upped hum the last few weeks... Maybe it's changes from water? I had it tested at store for ph and amonia. I have nitrate kit, that comes back as clean. I don't expect lump to be green, he stayed brown, but I'd like one of the two to be vibrant. I don't know. Thanks for quick reply dear!! At this point it's probly easier to just to go up that extra 10% hum and hold it there. My viv is from 92, all glass, 4 can size vents that run a few inches from bottom and two bigger ones in glass lid. They don't make em like that anymore!!

[Kisa]

Also, I wanted to see if u all are gut loading crix, or using spray vitamins in the water, or both?? Just thinking if extra-extra vitamins might play on color. Thanks ladies

I've been gut loading my crickets and nothing more, some of them grow to twice the size as I bought them just on Flukers alone! It's amazing how quickly those nasty little things increase in size. Sometimes I'm worried they're so big that my little (BIG) Brucey is gonna choke on them. D: