oh Paul. I missed u. Vet said they were horseshoe shaped and had to check refrences. One site said the eggs live in viv for 2 years. Like bleach won't kill them. Omg!!!! I need wormed too!!!!:@ I live 2 hours away from vet and tried to have him send med in mail after I weigh frog. But he wants me to drive them down there in sub zero temps. I don't even know how far I'd have to drive for a real exotics vet. Please tell me stage 3 doesn't look like a horse shoe.