Bufo nebulifer (Picture heavy)

[Kurt]

You can always write a strongly worded letter to Frost or we can go visit him at the AMNH in NYC.

[Ebony]

He he...you guys do this allot..dont you. He He, you crack me up

[John]

Yes we do. To my eye, Kurt tends to accept anything published in a journal as being gospel. Myself, I am a career research scientist and I know better :P. Especially when many authorities aren't swallowing these proposed name changes - and that's all they are Kurt, proposed - they mean nothing if most zoologists don't accept them and use them.

Addition: Further to my last point, this paper has been out for 3 years now and Amphibiaweb is still towing the old line, as are many others. I think that says something.

[Kurt]

I see your point very clearly and I respect it. Do I agree with it? Part of me does, but then part of me doesn't. I am kind of on the fence. To me it makes sense that a genus like Bufo should be broken up to some degree and maybe you can agree with that statement. If I am understanding you, you just disagree with Frost's proposal? Hyla and Dendrobates were also broken up and I support the changes to Hyla even more. With Dendrobates I am on the fence.

Its funny how this all started. Johnny stated he was having a tough time finding info on Bufo nebulifer, so I suggested he try searching using the "new" name Ollotis nebulifer. Never meant to start an argument with John.

[John]

I think of it as a constructive debate!

[SludgeMunkey]

LOL!


These constructive debates are a good thing, I always seem to learn something from them.

I have searched around using both names, but what I have found so far seems to be pretty much all the same stuff. I haven't had time to go through scientific papers yet though. (Starting today I am on 16 hour shifts for the next 9 days.)

Temperature seems to be the hardest for me. These animals are still a bit stressed I think, and ignore their hides in favor of burrowing. I suspect it may be too cool for them in the critter room. I am skipping out on sleeping between shifts today to finish up their outdoor enclosure. That gives a month or so for me to get a proper permanent indoor enclosure built for them.

Currently temp is 70F constant @40% relative humidity. I built a photo sensor unit for their lighting. This way it is linked with daylight on time. I figure that will ease their transition to my standard indoor lighting scheme when they can no longer stay in their out door pen.

[adawinters]

I am in awe of both your toads and your photography skills.