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    Ok... I want to show you my first frog Waaq Padda. Some say hes a Dwarf and others a Giant. Ive read all the posts about the differences between the two and I dont think hes either. His striping, eyes, ear holes in both distance/size, color..all of it, leave me to wonder if he is a "Webster" like you were saying about my little ones. Look at these pics and let me know what you think. Oh, and hes 7 inches from butt to nose. Hes an awesome frog with loads of personality so, I dont really care which he is, I just think its interesting. Ive read that people are now in agreement that there is more than just P.E and P.A, that different regions have different frogs of their own, which would make sense...
    If you need different angles, let me know, Im more than happy to provide them.
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    Hi Roman:

    Looking at the pictures and your description, I am reasonably sure it is not a dwarf (P. edulis). The maximum snout-to-vent length of P. edulis ranges from 120 mm to 145 mm (4.7 to 5.7 inches), with the larger individuals from eastern Africa. Based on size, color, pattern and tympanum-eye distance, you have a form of P. adspersus. If its a male, you may be able to distinguish the species by its call - the giant's call is a bellowing "whoop" (cow-like), while the dwarf sounds like the bark of a small dog. It is a good-looking frog!
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    I'd say he's a P. E. version of Webster

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    im almost positive its a dwarf bro

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    Roman
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    Miles...
    Read the article about the differences in the species. Then look at it again. I think its both.

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    doesn't look like my dwarf or my giant......you can check my albums for more pictures to reference.


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    it doesnt look like webster webster has a very prominent hook beak
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    Great Pictures Malachi... thanks
    Ok, so what is he? I was reading the research you guys were doing on how to define the species. The differences between P. adspersus and P. edulis and a third option of E. obbianus with all the many subs in-between. I think its awesome that the people on this site are so into their animals as to get into the phylum and sub phylums of these remarkable animals. Ive ordered all the books mentioned so I can sort it out myself but, I like others opinions and discussions.
    So... I am in agreement that its a regional thing. Like darwin and his finches, I think these beautiful animals have cross bread in the areas that they over lap causing pattern, color and size to get intermixed. I think I have a cross breed of one of those interactions with all his crazy mixed up signs. I would guess by using the overlap theory that he is A) from Mozambique B) birthed from parents from that region or C) just a genetic hodgepodge of frog parts made by lots of crazy breeding over time. Like the Danny Diveto of Twins LOL

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    Roman, looking closely at your frog, Waaq Padda. I believe it is a male P. edulis. Why? Coloration- looking at the belly, back, upper lip, Lip- more of an overlap of the upper lip, Eyes are larger and closer to typanum, and Size- he is full grown(but large for his species.

    Malachi, on your P. adspersus pictured, how much orange is there around the shoulder. Looks like a female?

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    Jeff,
    Right on, I dont disagree with you. I believe it to be true, really... Im not one of those who only wants a P.adspersus. I like Waaq as a pet. Hes active, seemingly friendly ( prob just hungry and sings beautifully. But, hes not a traditional P. edulis. I was just wanting to start a conversation about possibilities and hear other peoples stories...

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    Hi ABF Fans:

    I really love this debate we are having. I am currently communicating with Dr. Charles Parry, who spent many years researching the genus Pyxicephalus. With your permission, Roman, I would like to email pictures of Waaq to him for his opinion. Maybe we can get some good advice on identifying specific species.
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    Quote Originally Posted by onedge30 View Post
    Malachi, on your P. adspersus pictured, how much orange is there around the shoulder. Looks like a female?
    100% juvenile male, I have a female you can see them in the album.

    The edulis is also a male I've heard croaking.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tgampper View Post
    Hi African Bullfrog Fans:

    I really love this debate we are having. I am currently communicating with Dr. Charles Parry, who spent many years researching the genus Pyxicephalus. With your permission, Roman, I would like to email pictures of Waaq to him for his opinion. Maybe we can get some good advice on identifying specific species.
    Terry has had a project going with this since the summer.

    The only clear frog is the P.A. from South Africa.

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    Tgampper/Malachi,
    Of course! I would love that! Thank You Ive been following your debate with on this forum with great anticipation and excitement. I ordered all the books mentioned and have been trying to educate myself as much as possible but, as you guys already know, its largely speculation right now... If I can be of Any service< please let me know.

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    OK, I will send an email out tonight with some photos. I know this has taken a while, but I wanted to make sure all the facts are in before finalizing the guide.

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    All the great things in life take time. Even some of the famed 97 Bordeaux are undrinkable without the proper time to mellow into awesomeness. Thank you for taking the time to sift thru and, gather all the information needed for an endeavor this confusing and complicated. This work, your work, will be instrumental in how we understand our fat little buddies in the future.

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    man i just watched inception and i cant solve this
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    I don't know how it's been for your guys but for me, It seems the more I learn and research these frogs, the more confused I become as time goes by.

    My idea was and is that these frogs are an inter-grade between the two. Maybe not F1 or F2 hybrids, but generation after generation for who knows how long of interbreeding. There's a subspecies of Phrynosoma that was formed through long term integration.
    Just throwing out my theory.

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