Feeding frog to frog

[Jeff Kennedy]

Yes Will. The same principal. If the original enclosure has not had any inhabitants, then it should be sterile. While you are treating the specimen, it is perfectly fine to keep him in an isolated, quarantine bin with damp paper towel as substrate. As has already been touched on though, you will need to completely disinfect this quarantine bin before re-introducing your frog back in. This has to be done every day until treatment is complete. At the completion of treatment, it is then safe to introduce your frog into it's permanent enclosure.

[Malachi]

I wonder if there is any way to treat the frozen feeder frogs with lamisil.

[John911]

Let me tell you...treating 17 pacman frogs is a blast!

Their colors got really vivid though....interesting.

[Malachi]

I am in the process of contacting various experts in BD. I will try and compile their opinions.

[Tony]

Let me tell you...treating 17 pacman frogs is a blast!

Their colors got really vivid though....interesting.

Does it look a little like this?



That is a pic from Steve Busch, one of the developers of the Lamasil treatment. Looks quite a bit easier than the 7 red eyes I had to deal with.

[John911]

Yup pretty much. Lots of extra tupperwear now!. I read busch did his entire collection which I believe was pretty large.

[onedge30]

WOW!!! That is a picture. All those in treatment.

Ok, this maybe a stupid question, but is there anyway of not having to treat an entire seasons worth of frog offspring!! Which could be in the 1000's!!

[Kevin1]

If the adults and breeding/rearing chamber are treated it should be fine Jeff.

[Kevin1]

I wonder if there is any way to treat the frozen feeder frogs with lamisil.

I'm sure you could but there are easier ways. Since the feeder frogs are already dead that saves a lot of trouble.

[Malachi]

The only reason id chose Lamisil over higher temps , is so the frog doesn't actually get cooked and degrade.

[willtilian]

i might do that were do yo uget lamisil

[wesleybrouwer]

Try out this method, this should be working more effective.

http://www.jstage.jst.go.jp/article/...009030329/_pdf

After threating with a 0,01% Itracanazole solution for 14 days, 10 minutes a day.
9 out of 10 frogs recovered permanently according to thins research.


Recepe for 100cc:

-0.01 cc itraconazole,
-33 cc distilled water,
-66 cc salt solution..

So far, succesfuly threated frogs didn't get re-infected, altough it is not 100% sure since more research have to take place to see if it isn't species depending or something like that.
Tought it might be usefull since i don't hear much positive results with the athletes feet spray

[Malachi]

Bd would likely be killed by routine household freezing (however, cultures can be frozen with recovery of viable organisms, but the that process usually involves a cryoprotectant). That said, I still wouldn't feed these frogs to your frogs without some kind of cooking process.....there are other pathogens to worry about and especially coming from an Asian market. Ranaviruses would be of special concern and could remain viable after routine freezing. A study looking at a fish Ranavirus demonstrated 40C required 24 hours (I suspect the carcasses won't be edible after that temperature and time) and 60C (140F) within 15 minutes. If you do anything with heat and the feeder carcasses you will need to be absolutely sure that the heating/cooking is uniform throughout (may need a meat thermometer). Of course, none of this is validated for feeding of amphibian carcasses so no definitive assurances can be given of effectiveness or safety.

This is one of the responses to my question regarding killing BD on store bought frozen frogs. Basically all theexperts said something similar. Heating seems to be the only safe option. Thanks guys.

(PM me if you would like to know who sent me the email)

[Tony]

Tought it might be usefull since i don't hear much positive results with the athletes feet spray

Where did you hear that? The Lamasil treatment is very effective, I have heard nothing but success stories and have personally cured several imported frogs in my collection which arrived with chytrid infection. My most recent success was a female red eyed tree frog who was in the late stages of the disease, showing severe buildup of dead skin, neurological issues, muscle tetany and weight loss. She was in such bad shape that she was unable to open her eyes or leave the ground, after treatment with Lamasil she has made a full recovery. Itraconazole on the other hand is very expensive, available by prescription only, and has been shown to be toxic to many amphibians.

[wesleybrouwer]

There should be more working components,
the one that is the safest would be Itraconazole, as told me by different vets and researchers on it.
Chloramphenicol is another component tought to work, but at the date i had contact on it this was still being tested.

Lamisil (terbinafine) treatment did not work for me,
i treated 2 frogs with lamisil and 2 with Itracanozole so far.
My experience told me that Lamisil did not work for me.
So i also heard from others that used it.

It is a method created by a hobbyist, just trying to find something for chytrid.
The others are lab tested,
Could be wrong about it, but that is what the researchers from the Itraconazole treatment told me.

The price i think for Itranconazole is a price that let people check if it is realy neccesary, in my opinion not a bad choice
In Holland we did a test, we randomly tested terrarium frogs to see how bad the infection was in the domestic population.
out of 78 frogs (people) 8 were found to have the Fungi.
I don't know if the percentage in the US is higher but it might be that people are stressed out by the Chytrid so they start panicing and treathing against Chytrid without being sure the frogs have it or not.
In my opinion just find out what is wrong, and treat against the outcome.
Most of us are no vets, so making own diagnoses could be harmfull, even when the intenions are good.