thank you Tony, they sound fun!
Ally i think i am leaning towards the fire bellies too
they seam alot more active. The whites are just darling to look at, with those chubby bodies they are hard to resist!
ahh so many frogs so little time! lol
it all comes down to the toads demeanor to be honest, first and foremost i would always go for a 50/50 land/water ratio as again some prefer to rest on the banks of the pool most of the time, some stay on land and the go for the odd dip and the you'll get some that prefer the 50/50 scenario. to the main point of branches it will be down to the toads if to climb/look/hide under it so would'nt go amiss either way as long as we are not talking a vertical placement. as for the crickets on the branches it's the same arguement. (i.ve seen 2 of mine scale a wall for one). plus they are good jumpers when the need arises to grab one from a certain height.
220 gal equates to what size dimensions in inches?
you can use less ratio for pool area the larger the floor space will be as long as we don't go less than a 1/3. (imo)
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I wonder if perhaps people have different ideas of "climb" and that may be leading to some of the tension. If you have branches that are mostly horizontal but do have a slope on them, the toads will climb those. In my tank, I have vines, and one out of the tree sometimes climb those. That same toad will climb on my waterfall decoration. The other two could care less, but do spend part of their time out of the water and on the pieces of land. The way tree frogs climb is, obviously, completely different.
I have really nice size Malaysian leaf frog, which is a terrestial frog, but when it's storming outside and the humidity in the tank is right and he is craving a female, he climbs over everything. This has made me aware that even though he's terrestial, as soon as I move into a bigger place and settle in, I'm going to get him a larger tank that is not only longer, but taller too.
And as for the frog bug....two years ago I bought my first frog and now I'm up to 8 frogs and 3 toads, and I'm getting 2 more toads soon. So that's what you have to look forward to. :P
the tank has a 72"x24" floor space
i cant do the half water bit, but i do have a lizard pool thats about 10"x6" and 3" deep with little steps in it so they can crawl out
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Don't you mean "So many frogs, so little room and money to keep them all?"
Oh and my fire-bellies climb all the time! They even have hiding places well above the water line.
Your tank screams dart frogs to me or perhaps something like clown, milk or hourglass treefogs (providing there is decent ventilation.)
Personally, I still think there's not enough water for the fire-bellied toads.
Darts would be cool, or some of the smaller treefrogs that Kurt mentioned. Clowns are my dream frog. It's true that treefrogs do spend quite a bit of time in the top corner, but they move around quite a bit too. White's are nocturnal, so obviously much of their time is spent sleeping during the day, but as soon as I turn off the light, they get moving. And during the day, only one of my 5 sleep in the top corner. The rest sleep in different areas.
I think the water pool is big enough for four little fire belly's. A lot of care sheets said water bowls are sufficient. I did find a huge one on an online herp store, the bowl was huge, something like 18x12, i imagine it was for a large snake to soak in, so i can get that if needed.
Thats how the tree frogs were in the store, all huddled in the corner sleeping, the fire bellys were hopping and playing, they to were in a water bowl.
Darts are out, i dont have time to make my own fruit flies, and then i read they are prone to drowning and that scared me a bit, their just so tiny and frail i and with the tank being down the basement im not down their too much to watch over them.
I'm still torn on whites or fire belly's, if i come across adult whites i know i will melt in my shoes, adorable!! but then the activity of the fire bellys get me too....i will get back here in about a week when i finally have inhabitants....maybe it will be a plastic toy frog? LOL
There are very large reptile bowls, true. If you do that, I wouldn't go for anything that holds less than a couple gallons. They seem to spend so much of their time in the water, and truthfully, even if you found a bowl that can hold 4 toads, do you want them to spend all their time in just one corner of the tank? I'm not sure how much use they'll make of the land area opposite the side(s) the water dish is on, but most of us haven't even seen such a large tank. I would be afraid that they would spend all their time in just one area. Maybe someone else has them in a much larger tank than I do, and can give tips on how to best make it work.
I believe it's best to have a filter in the water, rather than just have stagnent water, since they spend so much time in the water, but if you find a large bowl, there are small filters you can find that you can put in the bowl.
By the way, I'm really not trying to talk you out of FBTs, cause I love the little guys. I'm just trying to give recommendations and things-to-consider that will help as you make the decision of how to best use your tank.
Good luck on figuring it all out!
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