ok thanks. there is a site called bigappleherp.com. i live in boise idaho so there arent any reptile stores near by so i have gotten a few things from this site such as a pair of red eyed tree frogs and a ball python and they seem to be healthy. they recently put an advertisment for buying clown tree frogs. in the description they have "captive bred babies born at our faculty" so i am assuming they are ok to buy. u should check the site out. they also have a shipment garuntee and an automatic reptile replacement if a DOA occurs. the animals they have given me are healthy.