Please don't yell at me

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I'm also worried about moving them up by that much (to 20gal) without cycling the tank. Is there a rule of thumb? They are in maaaaybe 20-30 ounces of water right now. ETA: Does the Safestart stuff work well enough to be able to move them sooner?

[Greenlove]

My nephew has never put a filter in with his frogs and they seem to be just fine. I think he said he does water changes every 15 days. I think he also breaks down the tank every few months to wash all the gravel and hides and stuff, apparently it gets kinda slimy in there . Maybe just skip the filter for right now until you can get a consensus on the forum of what other people do, I'm sure you'll be going back to the pet store within a few weeks and you can pick one up if need be. I did just read something (I'm still researching to try and help), about how one person said the frogs don't like the filters in the tank, not sure why, noise or vibrations maybe? Sorry, I don't know anything about cycling a tank. I have Gray tree frogs and they don't need any water except their soaking bowl. I'm sure they would be fine in something smaller for a few days until you can get the 20 gallon up and running. I did just read that 10 gallons for each frog is optimal, so I think it would be wise to make the 20 gallon their home. As far as the lid for the tank, when I needed one for my tadpoles, I found it at Petsmart for about 17 dollars. I'm glad your not going to starve them, a little extra work never hurt anyone, right? Oh, and if your worried about the pH, I think you can buy test strips or a kit for pretty cheap to check the water.