Hello from Atlanta GA

[SethD]

Why do you keep dodging the relevant questions? Let's hear one good thing hybridizing accomplishes for the hobby and our frogs.

Thought I would touch on this a bit, new morphs and hybrids etc. have historically increased the number of people and interest in other portions of the hobby. How many people were into leopard geckos lets say when only normal looking ones were available? Some, but the numbers expanded a lot after more and more morphs and options became available. Some think that is good and some think that is bad I guess, but I personally think it is good. Now that I have answered your question can you give some kind of proof of why hybridization is bad other than the fact that you personally don't like it and fear it will prevent hobbyists captive CB frogs from being re-introduced back into the wild?(something that has zero precedent to my knowledge and is a very long odds shot anyway)

[poison beauties]

I really wasn't expecting to come back into this argument because....well...its stupid. But Mike, if you go back to the first page of this thread...you actually started it. You came to this forum out of deception...simply to start an argument. Seth's first statement was that if you're looking for an argument try DB. That deception, simply to start an argument shows your character. Everyone greeted you and welcomed you to the forum and you and Tony had to really dig to get the argument going. Even when people were making jokes and trying to stay lighthearted about it. If you wanted to start a discussion about the hybrid issue be professional about it next time instead of what has occurred here.

Like I just said Im trying to drop the BS from it. I did not come here out of deception and Im well known to help all who I can in this hobby and yes I throw my 2 cents in as well and make sure that the other side of the issue is presented for all to read and decide from.

Thought I would touch on this a bit, new morphs and hybrids etc. have historically increased the number of people and interest in other portions of the hobby. How many people were into leopard geckos lets say when only normal looking ones were available? Some, but the numbers expanded a lot after more and more morphs and options became available. Some think that is good and some think that is bad I guess, but I personally think it is good. Now that I have answered your question can you give some kind of proof of why hybridization is bad other than the fact that you personally don't like it and fear it will prevent hobbyists captive CB frogs from being re-introduced back into the wild?(something that has zero precedent to my knowledge and is a very long odds shot anyway)

New morphs and selctive breeding does not benefit the hobby due to bringing more people into it. Thats like saying its better to have a thousand herps than a hundred. Doesnt the quality and content matter?

As far as hybrids being bad go they take away from the natural representation and that among other things cause issues like people mistakingly or purposely trying to name new species or locales. What about the fact that hybrids promote fads and greed in the hobby? Then what> we have many other producing them and they flood the market. All over a frog that can never hold its value.

Michael

[bshmerlie]

What about the fact that hybrids promote fads and greed in the hobby? Then what> we have many other producing them and they flood the market. All over a frog that can never hold its value.

So what...its called supply and demand. So what if the market is flooded with$20 pink poka dotted tree frogs if people want to buy them. New people will come to hobby because of it and just like any fad many will leave but some will stay and that will expand the interest in the hobby.

[EpicFrogMan]

the dart frog community is a joke....

Let see what happens when i say it.. Will my rep go down more? will i be banned? i hope so

[SethD]

As far as hybrids being bad go they take away from the natural representation and that among other things cause issues like people mistakingly or purposely trying to name new species or locales.

Cite examples. I remember a few years ago in the dart frog hobby there was some speculation that new rivers and giant orange darts were of hybrid or mixed morph origin, I don't recall what the eventual group decision was since I didn't follow it that closely. Given the fact that those morphs are still available and that the dart frog hobby tends to have a strong opinion against mixed morphs or hybrids I assume it was decided that they were ok. I don't recall it ever being a question at all with non-dart frog species. It tends to be well known if something is a hybrid or not and there isn't a lot of confusion on the issue. Any examples of hybrid related confusion I missed or is this point of yours purely hypothetical?

What about the fact that hybrids promote fads and greed in the hobby? Then what> we have many other producing them and they flood the market. All over a frog that can never hold its value.

Everything you say about hybrids here would apply equally to natural morphs and different species in the dart frog community. There are cycles where a particular dart morph or species is rare, expensive, and highly sought after, then if the species is capable of it it is produced to the point it is common, prices come down, then a lot of people loose interest, then it becomes rare again and the cycle repeats. It is exactly the same thing as what you describe with "man made" morphs and both occur due to basic human nature. I don't see that as a good reason to condemn morphs and hybrids unless you wish to condemn the dart frog hobby as well.