Hello from Atlanta GA

[poison beauties]

Haa there is nothing like overconfidence in action. Dart frogs are a bit different than explosive breeders. Like I said originally though I wish you success even though I do have my doubts and am so far not exactly impressed with you personally. I have to wonder a bit just how capable someone is that is so overconfident. I find that the most capable people are rarely the ones dripping with overconfidence in their own abilities, even when it might be justified. However if your so supremely confident can you give an estimate of when your going to have froglets available? Hopefully that isn't to much to ask, that way I can be glad for you if you make your ETA or at least come close, or have a private little chuckle if you never succeed at all or miss the mark by more than a year or so. That way I can mentally mark you down as either a bragger that can at least sometimes live up to his boasting yet another over confident dart frogger who talks a good game but can't come even close to matching his boasting with non-dart species. If your that confident and have come to enlighten and correct everyone else who "doesn't know as much" as you do I would think that would be the least you can do.

We both know an ETA is not possible but I will be more than happy to document my entire project from viv build to the frogs and care as Im just getting it going. Im always up to share info. Im not even close to being over confident with this project. These frogs need to be successfully captive bred here so I dont really see a fault in saying so. I guess its going to be a wait and see for you huh.

why would I want to? I have no quarrel to pick with people who see things differently but leave the rest of the hobby alone, I only bother to argue when they come to other parts of the hobby with the goal of trashing people that don't agree with them.

I trashed noone in fact Tony and I are the ones who brought the reasoning to this while all you do is ***** ***** ***** like your usual self. I have no problem doing so though and once again if you knew me you would know this.

Lol, yes I remember those days, but it certainly don't remember the secretiveness you describe, I remember a great deal of exchange of information and ideas and by and large a friendly attitude. Certainly not the level of militancy and overconfidence so many show today. Maybe it was just your circle of contacts or maybe if you came across the same way then that you do now you just rubbed people the wrong way and they didn't feel like sharing much with you.

Very funny you remember those day as your only 24 now. I have known many froggers over the years big named breeders and all and if you think info gathering in this hobby was easy and all was shared you really are stupid my friend. Do you really think all breeding and husbandry secrets are even shared now? If you say yes you would be wrong again, There is and was always a secretivness to some info as many breeders back then did not really want the competition from other breeders. I bet you think you could just click online back then and get everything you needed and buy yourself a nice young pair of Thumbnails. Did you even see the sharing of all info when DB started up in 2004? No you did not.

Lol, I don't really feel the need to answer that. Those who know me know the answer to that, and I don't really care that much what others may think one way or another. It is pretty silly to get into an "I know more than you do" or an "I bred this and that and you haven't" argument. I won't be drawn into that as such is nothing but an ego match and ego matches make both sides look like immature children. Suffice it to say I have had fun in the hobby for a while.

Im not even worried about who knows more and at the present moment Im pretty sure I know more of your fellow TX froggers than you do. Do you think I would just show up on a board ranting? Please I have my name established in our hobby and I have more than enough references on my feeders, plants and frogs I have produced. Remeber I started this thread. You came into it and started the Pissing Match. Its funny how everyone got their little panties in a bunch over Tony posting his opinion in that thread yet you guys do the same here. Why cant we be left alone to preach anti hybridization? If you think your just standing up for the rest of your side of the hobby your not doing very well. You still cant tell me what benefits Hybrids bring to the hobby and why the producers of the should even be respected. Creating a fad for extra cash does not benefit the hobby and a few less mixed frogs would not keep the hobbyists from joining.
By the way their is a TX frogger meet coming up. Im planning to make my way over their to see a few friends and deliver some frogs. Your more than welcome to come and explain your beliefs in person.

Michael

[SethD]

Very funny you remember those day as your only 24 now.

And your apparently twenty nine, so? I have been keeping reptiles since I was 4 years old and basically grew up in the hobby. Some of my earliest memories are reptile and amphibian related. I have been interested in in the hobby as long as I can remember, no doubt at least partially due to an older brother that was into the hobby from when I was very little up until I was around 11-12 . I used to study the price lists my older brother got from glades herp back when bill love still ran it and wish I had enough money to buy some of those animals like my brother did. We would sit up in our bunk beds reading reptile/amphibian books plotting about what we would get as well as pouring over price lists. As I got older I slowly started to get enough money here and there to buy some animals instead of just keeping what I could catch. I am sure many long time hobbyist, including yourself possibly, can relate. What does that mean? Not much, it certainly doesn't make me a genius or somehow superior to someone else that didn't grow up that way, but yes I do remember the reptile trade in the 90's pretty well.

Unfortunately most of your posts have moved into the realm of just plain silliness and can't really be responded to very fully without either laughing at you or responding in a equally ridiculous fashion. Joking around with people insulting everyone is funny to a point but I do tire of it eventually, it just gets boring. If you have something reasonable to say and can refrain from insulting everyone that disagrees with you fine, I am still quite capable of responding to logic if you care to present any. If not though I no longer see a reason to respond as I have both already presented my points and had a chuckle over your attitude.

[poison beauties]

And your apparently twenty nine, so? I have been keeping reptiles since I was 4 years old and basically grew up in the hobby. Some of my earliest memories are reptile and amphibian related. I have been interested in in the hobby as long as I can remember, no doubt at least partially due to an older brother that was into the hobby from when I was very little up until I was around 11-12 . I used to study the price lists my older brother got from glades herp back when bill love still ran it and wish I had enough money to buy some of those animals like my brother did. We would sit up in our bunk beds reading reptile/amphibian books plotting about what we would get as well as pouring over price lists. As I got older I slowly started to get enough money here and there to buy some animals instead of just keeping what I could catch. I am sure many long time hobbyist, including yourself possibly, can relate. What does that mean? Not much, it certainly doesn't make me a genius or somehow superior to someone else that didn't grow up that way, but yes I do remember the reptile trade in the 90's pretty well.

Unfortunately most of your posts have moved into the realm of just plain silliness and can't really be responded to very fully without either laughing at you or responding in a equally ridiculous fashion. Joking around with people insulting everyone is funny to a point but I do tire of it eventually, it just gets boring. If you have something reasonable to say and can refrain from insulting everyone that disagrees with you fine, I am still quite capable of responding to logic if you care to present any. If not though I no longer see a reason to respond as I have both already presented my points and had a chuckle over your attitude.

Nice to know you grew up around herps. I did too but it does not mean anything. Anyone can own a few herps and claim they have been around twenty years. Like i said lets keep this on topic. Im not looking to keep your rediculously thought out replies coming. Your attitude towards this does more than make me chuckle. You actually think your words are golden. You have not contributed anything to our hobby that sets you above anyone else and if you have noone knows about it.

If you have a thought on the subject of what make hybrids beneficial to our hobby I will hear you out. Until then your replies are just a joke. You seriously are doing nothing but increasing the chaos in this thread. Lets take the personal issues out of it.

Michael

[Kurt]

Michael,
All Seth is doing is play the Devils's Advocate. He is trying to show you that you see things one way while others see it another way. I don't think is really picking a side. I agree with you on the subject at hand, but while at the same time I can't tell them they are an idiot for wanting or creating hybrids. I can just state my position and if they don't like it, I just walk away.

[bshmerlie]

Remeber I started this thread. You came into it and started the Pissing Match.

Michael

I really wasn't expecting to come back into this argument because....well...its stupid. But Mike, if you go back to the first page of this thread...you actually started it. You came to this forum out of deception...simply to start an argument. Seth's first statement was that if you're looking for an argument try DB. That deception, simply to start an argument shows your character. Everyone greeted you and welcomed you to the forum and you and Tony had to really dig to get the argument going. Even when people were making jokes and trying to stay lighthearted about it. If you wanted to start a discussion about the hybrid issue be professional about it next time instead of what has occurred here.