Hello from Atlanta GA

[SethD]

Like Tony said, who are the most respected in our hobby? Its not the pacman crowd or the the ones who are mixing species or supporting it. Its us because we do the work. You are looking at this the wrong way. We are not trying to rule the hobby, We are trying to help it advance for all of us. We do the research, we do the bulk of the testing and advance the husbandry for captive breeding. We only want to help the other amphibians in the same way.

I get it, it's not that your trying to "rule" the rest of the hobby, it is just that the rest of the hobby is so stupid and unlearned that your doing this all for our good. We should be so ashamed for disagreeing with the the brilliant, hard working dart froggers who have come to giude us out of darkness into enlightenment. Forgive us.

And another stupid thing I hear is none of the frogs here will be used for reintroduction. Do you know why? Because more of you than not dont practice proper captive breeding practices in order to even pull it off. Do you think that the zoos and institutions can honestly cover the needs for an repopulation project? They cant and we will not ever be considered for doing our part if the hobby is divided on the simple issues. Simply put if and when there is ever a plan to start reintroducing species you will not have a clue in hell as to what it takes as you guys dont know **** about locales, line info and other little things like quarentine, testing and even how to keep your offspring and breeders tracked in order to continue unrelated lines for the benefit of their future. Do you know anything about acclimating frogs in the wild before they are released? How about setting up a proper diet and a variety that only dart froggers seem to practice? If you did know would you practice it as many of these species are on the verge of and will disapear from the wild in time. Without the help of a dedicated hobby the reintroduction projects will fail and wont be able to produce what we can. It seems to me you guys need more Dart Froggers on the boards helping to share knowledge that will better the hobby.

I hate to break it to you but the dart frog hobbys frogs are not going to be used for reintroductions either unless "maybe" and this is a big maybe, the species in question is totally extict in the wild. It is a dream, but a highly unrealistic one.

If you have been a paet of the herp hobby for as long as I have youve seen the changes and you know where its going wrong.

I have been following the hobby since the early 90's. It has changed sure, going wrong tends to be a matter of perspective. If your talking about high priced morphs and such, eventually it will balance out, it always does.

I know to keep them cool and as for the other needs I know them as well, Remember Im a Dart Frogger, we do our research! And new breeding and husbandry techniques are due as they have not been successfully captive bred here and what I have in the works in a group effort project on them and will be for the others to come. Im personally starting with twenty of them in a custom 8'x4'x24 inch viv with a few new advancments. Nice slow moving current and flood setup. I will be sharing it in time/

Michael

You know the attitude and level of arrogance you and a lot of dart froggers like you have almost makes me hope your project flops. However I would like to see more such species established so I wish you success even though success would most likely just add another level of silly arrogance to your attitude.

[Tony]

You know the attitude and level of arrogance you and a lot of dart froggers like you have almost makes me hope your project flops.

For someone who is a regular on Dendroboard you sure have a lot of hate toward dart froggers...

[SethD]

For someone who is a regular on Dendroboard you sure have a lot of hate toward dart froggers...

I am only a semi-regular on dendroboard and since I personally pretty much got out of darts a number of years ago I go there mostly for what talk there is on other portions of the hobby as well as to talk to a few friends. I was on dendroboard for a bit when it first started several years ago, got tired of it and left, then came back this spring when the melanophryniscus started coming in and there was a lot of interest expressed in that over there. Otherwise my visits have been fairly sporadic over the years. Further I don't really have "a lot of hate towards dart froggers" I have friends in that community and there are still reasonable people over there. I don't have anything against dart froggers except what so many of them have become these days. Things change and while years ago most people in the dart frogger community were friendly and helpful now a large portion of them are arrogant, nasty, and think their collections and hobby are somehow going to "save the frogs" while also thinking anyone who disagrees with their point of view is an idiot. When I find a dart frogger that doesn't fit that increasingly common mold I have no problem with them at all and we usually get along fine.