Hello from Atlanta GA

[poison beauties]

Just read it. Well said and I think a full out Why Hybrids are idiotic thread is due. There is no need for them. If you cant find a natural frog that you like your in the wrong hobby because next to fish we have the largest selection. If you can keep two species Im sure you can keep a third or even just pair them up with the smae species. Nothing beats Natural Beauty,.

Michael

[boabab95]

Just read it. Well said and I think a full out Why Hybrids are idiotic thread is due. There is no need for them. If you cant find a natural frog that you like your in the wrong hobby because next to fish we have the largest selection. If you can keep two species Im sure you can keep a third or even just pair them up with the smae species. Nothing beats Natural Beauty,.

Agreed mike, nothing beats Natural. hybrids are just a way to make $$$ IMO.

[SethD]

So all of you new guys come over here to stir the pot about hybrids? If you want a squabble there is always dendroboard.

[poison beauties]

Im well known on DB and I debate these issues often there. If its ok to talk hybridization here why cant I speak out against it? If you have not noticed since Ive seen you on DB that our hobby has taken a turn for the worse due to stuff like this. Selective breeding and Hybridization have been debated for a long time and are still considered to be ok or even a good thing by many yet site data and quarentine testing and treatment which I have practiced for many years are not even known by many in the herp hobby. Why is that? They are clearly the most important of the 4 and yet what wins out? Greed does. The want to create something unnatural in order to make a quick buck before the fad dies or the market floods. Them what happens? The hybrids become 20 dollar throw away frogs as people refer to many other cheap frogs as and they mix something else. Like I said a few of you know me and know I have a good rep in the hobby with many references. If I was out to stir the pot I could and would. Im just fed up with seeing this hobby turn into the next joke. Look at pythons and geckos. Why go there? Amphibians are one of the first things to disapear the wild when things happen. I think a natural representation is all we need. There is nothing more beautifull. But if you want to go to DB and argue we can..... I will have the upper ground there.

Michael

[boabab95]

Well said mike. And very true.

[SethD]

Im well known on DB and I debate these issues often there. If its ok to talk hybridization here why cant I speak out against it? If you have not noticed since Ive seen you on DB that our hobby has taken a turn for the worse due to stuff like this. Selective breeding and Hybridization have been debated for a long time and are still considered to be ok or even a good thing by many yet site data and quarentine testing and treatment which I have practiced for many years are not even known by many in the herp hobby. Why is that? They are clearly the most important of the 4 and yet what wins out? Greed does. The want to create something unnatural in order to make a quick buck before the fad dies or the market floods. Them what happens? The hybrids become 20 dollar throw away frogs as people refer to many other cheap frogs as and they mix something else. Like I said a few of you know me and know I have a good rep in the hobby with many references. If I was out to stir the pot I could and would. Im just fed up with seeing this hobby turn into the next joke. Look at pythons and geckos. Why go there? Amphibians are one of the first things to disapear the wild when things happen. I think a natural representation is all we need. There is nothing more beautifull.

Well it is just a little humorous that five or six people from dendroboard that never posted over here before come over to post against hybrids after tony's little lecture against horned frog hybrids in the "pacman" section the other day. "Maybe" it is just chance and tony didn't have some kind of a hand in this, who knows, but it sure does look like somebody went and recruited some dendroboard buddies to back him up either directly or indirectly. Your fear of a $20 "throw away frog" doesn't make much sense either since there are a great many "pure" frogs for under twenty dollars and some are even CB.

But if you want to go to DB and argue we can..... I will have the upper ground there.

No kidding. I think one would be stoned there if one suggested that there was a place for hybrids in the hobby and no matter if one personally liked them or not, they weren't the end of the world. It is far more fashionable to rail against it. I tell you I sure wish dendroboarders would put half the energy into apposing the addition of amphibians as "injurious animals" under the lacy act unless "certified" chytrid free that they do into apposing hybrids. That is an issue that could potentially cause far greater harm to the hobby than hybrids ever will.

[Tony]

tony didn't have some kind of a hand in this, who knows, but it sure does look like somebody went and recruited some dendroboard buddies to back him up either directly or indirectly.

Nope, I am perfectly capable of standing on my own.

[boabab95]

Well it is just a little humorous that five or six people from dendroboard that never posted over here before come over to post against hybrids after tony's little lecture against horned frog hybrids in the "pacman" section the other day. "Maybe" it is just chance and tony didn't have some kind of a hand in this, who knows, but it sure does look like somebody went and recruited some dendroboard buddies to back him up either directly or indirectly.

By chance for me... I just found the forum, so i joined...I doubt Tony would do that.

[SethD]

By chance for me... I just found the forum, so i joined...I doubt Tony would do that.

Ok, I will take your word for it, but you must admit that it looks odd when several new members(including some names I know from from dendroboard) show up at the same time and promptly start fussing about hybrids and introducing themselves with sarcastic "I hybridize this and that" posts. Especially when the topic of hybrids has been pretty much a non-issue on this forum up until the other day.

[bshmerlie]

If you guys are so passionate about this why don't you get a couple of guys from both sides of the arguement, call up Jerry, and see if you guys can get on the show. All the name calling and trailer trash talk fits the Springer format. Then we can see you guys throw some punches at each other. That's how I see it. I agree with Seth, why don't you put your energy where you can really help the hobby. By the way, my red eyes took offence to the $20 frog comment.

[bshmerlie]

But if you want to go to DB and argue we can..... I will have the upper ground there.

Michael

Why does it seem like we're being invaded by DB members looking to argue? Reminds me of Jerry Springer, people just looking for trash talk.