Hormone induced frog breeding.

[John]

Just saw this. As it says in my signature, I don't read everything on the forum. This is particularly true at the moment.

I will quite happily discuss this topic in general but I don't make a habit of publicly sharing a protocol for it because, in my view, the skill set required is not something possessed by most of the people who want it. The animals do not need to be subjected to the cruelty of the inexperienced keeper who can't temper rampant curiosity with common sense and ethics.

[Kevin1]

All righty John. I'm not wanting to learn how to use it. I'm just more curious of how it's done. I find it cruel in general and wouldn't want to do it.
If done right though, do the frogs suffer from any side effects? I've heard horror stories of things happening to horned frogs, but I imagine this is from people abusing the treatment.
Oh and I didn't mean to sound impatient I apologize. It just seemed not many people were interested in the topic.
Thanks.

[onedge30]

Kevin - John,

I would be very curious to know the ins and outs of the process with frogs. I too would prefer to create a breeding environment, close enough, so that hormones would not be needed. But would want to understand the next step in the process, and all the risks, if I wanted to move forward.

I have experience breeding koi with and without hormones. My personal breeding, over a period of 3 years, was all natural spawning. I set up the right conditions at the right time, paired the right koi, and had spawning occur within a 6 hour period. Usually at dawn. My experience with hormone injections was working on a koi farm. I believe the choice to use hormones was from laziness and the possible need to push a few 'hard to spawn' koi. Never were the hormones used to strip the eggs and milt. Note - I did see several prize koi die, directly from the use of the hormones.

[Kevin1]

Thanks Jeff, I was talking to Seth about this the other night and how I feel. That if they need hormones to spawn than you must not be giving them the right conditions to produce enough hormones on their own to want to breed. Though Seth did say that it's more of an insurance that they will produce than a necessity. That's interesting that you bred Koi Jeff. At my old house I used to keep koi in my outdoor pond, well wasn't all mine since it was my parents house. I forget the breed names but I remember my favorites were red on the sides, white on top, and 2 rows of large blue scales at the tippy top of the body.

[jelkins]

Hey guys you should check out this link: http://aark.portal.isis.org/Research...0Induction.pdf

This is a very interesting topic and should be openly discussed due to the large number of amphibian species produced and sold using hormonal injection.

Additionally, check out this website: http://www.xenopus.com/links.htm it has a link showing the process for xenopus.

[Mercedesherp]

This an an area that encompasses an individuals understanding, and ability to actually accomplish this. Growing frogs, and then expecting hormone injections to produce viable reproductive products is an absurdity.
It is also obvious that there exits an informational vacume concerning this.
While I understand some of the problems associated to Ceratophrys breeding, perhaps the most important aspect is that some just don't follow thru with preliminary
requirements or protocols, and endure a self imposed, premature defeat.
Only those that actually invest in the animals, time, and research will prevail.
( lets see, how many are there ? )

[onedge30]

This an an area that encompasses an individuals understanding, and ability to actually accomplish this. Growing frogs, and then expecting hormone injections to produce viable reproductive products is an absurdity.
It is also obvious that there exits an informational vacume concerning this.
While I understand some of the problems associated to Ceratophrys breeding, perhaps the most important aspect is that some just don't follow thru with preliminary
requirements or protocols, and endure a self imposed, premature defeat.
Only those that actually invest in the animals, time, and research will prevail.
( lets see, how many are there ? )

And do you have anything to add to the research? Or breeding ABF?