Introducing Caatanga X Ornata

[SethD]

Ethics are ethics regardless of the species involved.

"Ethics" are not the same for everyone. You may take issue with species mixing, but not everyone automatically has a problem with it "just because".

C. joazeirensis is also an octaploid, which removes a major barrier to fertility in this cross.

Possibly, we will see. It will be interesting to see if they are fertile or not.

Phillipe de Vosjoli also advocates for hybridization among Rhacodactylus geckos, and probably any other abomination that seems commercially lucrative. As far as I am concerned anyone who wastes a new species like this on hybrid garbage is unethical, as is his apparent partner who uses hormone treatments to flood the market with weak froglets instead of putting in the time to aestivate the frogs and breed them naturally.

Your trashing people I doubt you know and making statements that are not well founded too. Please leave that over in the dart frog hobby if you can. The rest of us don't need that type of attitude in our part of the hobby. Breeding adult horned frogs with hormones does not automatically produce weak froglets. It has more to do with the diet of the parents and the conditions the tadpoles are raised in. I personally don't use hormones in frog breeding but I don't have a visceral response to those that do or claim that it causes problems that it doesn't.

You know this is why on the one hand I appreciate it when dart frog hobbyists show interest in something else because I would like to see the "other frogs" area of the hobby expand but I also don't like it because they all seem to think and act alike in a very closed minded fashion with little tolerance for anyone that doesn't do exactly what they think they "should" in the amphibian hobby. If someone doesn't march to the drummer of the "borg"(lol) he is automatically "unethical" and the enemy. That isn't the hobby I enjoy so much and I would not like to see the rest of the amphibian hobby follow in the footsteps of dart frog hobbyists. Certain elements in the dart frog hobby tend to be pretty snobbish and as a whole they demand far to much conformity to group thought for my taste. Of course there are many good guys involved too. However if I can exert any little bit of influence to help the rest of the hobby from going down the same general path the dart frog hobby has gone down I will do so. Your free to disagree and as a matter of fact I expect you to do so.