I'd also like to inform the forum, in case you guys didn't hear, that Phillipe and Robert's team have the caatinga horned frog C. joazeirensis. While Kim has true C. Auritas and has had them for a long time. Never offered any for sale due to them growing to a smaller size than expected. Also that Phillipe and Robert have teamed up to try and figure out the "situation" with these new frog species. I heard this straight from the herpetocultural man himself(and his team). I haven't heard anything new on the subject in awhile. I hope that helps clear up any confusion. Some of you that frequent other frog forums might already be aware of this.