Introducing Caatanga X Ornata

[John]

Folks, it's apparent this is a heated argument and there are passionate views on both sides. I would like it to stay civil please. I would rather not get drawn into the details of this conversation but I can see two somewhat simplistic views of the issue.

For what it's worth, I think we should not overly serenade Phillipe de Vosjoli, and we should not be incredibly anti-hybriziation. Phillipe had his own motivations for doing what he did. I do think the point has been rightly made that hybridization between horned frogs is a very inconsequential issue in the hobby due to the lack of fertility in hybrids, and the access people have to species that could produce potentially viable hybrids _and_ could come into the possession of someone capable of breeding them.

Ethically I am more of a "leave it the way nature intended it" kind of guy but given the lack of consequences for the species themselves (I speak in the case of horned frogs only), I see little harm, and likewise, I see little or no benefit to it.

A note on hormone breeding, I don't see the relevance to the conversation, but if you want to open up another thread to talk about that, I would be happy to give you my experienced opinion on the topic. Suffice it to say that I think the issue as stated already in the thread is being treated in a broad, sweeping fashion which would require qualification to not be faulty.

Lastly, let me remind you to please be civil to each other and keep things friendly - we don't have to agree.