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[bshmerlie]

So sorry to hear about your frogs.

[wesleybrouwer]

I should contact the supplier,
it's not normal frogs dying on you in such short notice.
Maybe you can arrange something with them.

I must say at first glance, nothings wrong with the frogs.
They seem well fed to me.
It would be guessing what happened.

Can you make a picture of the enclosure and say what the humidity and temperature are?
Maybe there is room for improvement or something.

One thing i would like to comment is,
you can better use a bowl of stone or plastic instead of a steel one.
There is a possibility this puts in metals (not sure of the English word) into the water
wich is not healthy for the frogs actually.


Anyways, contact the person who sold them and tell them how quick they died.
A healthy frog shouldn't have died that easy, 2 of them is even more doubtfull.

[charlamanda]

I should contact the supplier,
it's not normal frogs dying on you in such short notice.
Maybe you can arrange something with them.

I must say at first glance, nothings wrong with the frogs.
They seem well fed to me.
It would be guessing what happened.

Can you make a picture of the enclosure and say what the humidity and temperature are?
Maybe there is room for improvement or something.

One thing i would like to comment is,
you can better use a bowl of stone or plastic instead of a steel one.
There is a possibility this puts in metals (not sure of the English word) into the water
wich is not healthy for the frogs actually.


Anyways, contact the person who sold them and tell them how quick they died.
A healthy frog shouldn't have died that easy, 2 of them is even more doubtfull.

I am so sorry that you have had to go through loosing both of your frogs, this isn't fair at all!!!
I agree, I think your frogs were already sick, like I mentioned before, several people have posted they got new frogs that seemed fine at first then stopped eating and died.
I beleive it turned out that they had parasites. An animal can appear fine and live with these parasite for a while, but if they have any significant stress, being relocated, etc., it can cause the parasites to bloom or reproduce during the time the frogs immune system is lowered from the stress, or actually any illness for that matter can worsen or become evident for this same reason.
Please contact the breeder and discuss this, if they are reasonable and or knowledgable they should be aware of this and hopefully compensate you for your loss, hoepfully with new frogs, that I would bring to the vet immediarely. Don't get rid of the bodies, you may have to bring them to the breeder/pet store for either evidence or have a vet check them, post mortem, IgbyKibbits, has had several die and has had a vet check hers too, she may be able to help you with this.
The breeders/pet store may not have even been aware the frogs were ill either, so give them the benefit of the doubt, until they give you a hard time and mention the pet lemon laws, which protects customers of new pets for this exact reason!!! You can look it up, I think I posted some of the laws under lindyhops recent post and link when her frogs also were sick and died after she had just purchased them.
If you need any help I'd be happy to assist you anyway I can. Again I am so sorry for your losses.

[Jace]

I am so sorry to hear about your frogs.

[SethD]

I doubt it was parasites, particularly when we are talking CB froglets. They would be unlikely to build a heavy parasite load in their short life. Much more likely to be either a bacterial or fungal related issue.

[wesleybrouwer]

By answering another thread, it got me thinking.
You don't use rainwater, but water do you use?
Purified water coincidental?

[Crystal6]

Wow a lot to talk about.
A: I wouldn't be able to find a vet quickly or easily. I live very far away from people like that.
B: Even if I did have a way to find a vet like that, how would I preserve the remaining frog until then? Put it in the freezer with the food? (That sounds... unsanitary.)
C: I use Spring Water. It never smells or tastes like chlorine and my other frogs have not gotten sick from it before.
D: I met them at an expo. I doubt I'd be able to get another frog. (Though perhaps I could get a refund.)

[charlamanda]

By answering another thread, it got me thinking.
You don't use rainwater, but water do you use?
Purified water coincidental?

Just to clarify..are you saying not to use rainwater? And to whom was the question intented for? I wasn't sure about the rain water and am curious.
I myself use my tap water, but it's from a well from springs and it's very clean around here, little or no polution and full of natural minerals. There are very strict laws in the area and we are not allowed to use anything with gas or oil on the lake at all and toxic spills of any kind are taken very seriously.

[charlamanda]

I doubt it was parasites, particularly when we are talking CB froglets. They would be unlikely to build a heavy parasite load in their short life. Much more likely to be either a bacterial or fungal related issue.

I have lots of froglets about 3 months since their morph.. How long do you think it would take, if they do have parasites, they would get to a critical load producing symptoms? I have not dewormed any of them, but all seem fine and are eating and acting fine..so far.
I only suggested intestinal parasite because I've been reading through the threads and it seems to be an reoccuring issue with new frogs, but I can't recall if all were froglets and or adults. Is it more likely to happen with new adults? Thanks for any info.

[SethD]

I have lots of froglets about 3 months since their morph.. How long do you think it would take, if they do have parasites, they would get to a critical load producing symptoms? I have not dewormed any of them, but all seem fine and are eating and acting fine..so far.
I only suggested intestinal parasite because I've been reading through the threads and it seems to be an reoccuring issue with new frogs, but I can't recall if all were froglets and or adults. Is it more likely to happen with new adults? Thanks for any info.

Captive bred or captive raised froglets rarely are seriously harmed by parasites. For one thing captive conditions are not usually conductive to developing a very heavy infestation, and for another thing frogs can usually handle even heavy infestations unless they become ill or heavily stressed out due to something else. There tends to be two major reasons why CB froglets die before adulthood. One, improper nutrition, and two contamination from housing them with sick WC frogs. Occasionally a frog will just morph weak and never do well or will develop some other type of problem but from what I have seen the majority of CB froglets that are lost were lost due to one of those two main reasons I mentioned.