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[charlamanda]

Very sorry for your loss. I know you must be upset and hurting from your loss, but I have to ask you a few questions. You said that you haven't been having much luck with frogs? Are you getting them all from the same place? It seems as though it may not be you as much as your getting sick frogs. If you do get any more, I'd go straight to the vet for an exam, immediately, have a fecal exam, etc. and have them dewormed. Then bring the bill to the pet store/breeder and let them know they sold you frogs that were ill and get a reimbursement. If you don't than he/she will continue this poor practice and you and others will be in this same situation again. Better yet file a complaint with the better business bureau or file a lemon law. There are lots of web sites that are dedicated to helping pet owners in this situation and they will help and guide you through the process.
I've only been a frog owner for several months and on this site about the same time, but I have been hearing a constant theme with recent purchases. Many of the frogs people have been buying/ordering are ill when they get them and the transition, causing considerable stress to the frog, makes the illness worse or make it abundantly apparent the frog is ill. Pet stores or breeders should not sell ill animals of any kind and are responsible if they do, don't let them skate on their obligation to you and hold them responsible for your loss. I am really angry about this and hate to see you and others go through this unnecessarily especially when the animal/pet expires.
I myself am a new owner of Gray Tree frogs and have been up in the air about whether to deworm them or not. I have 13 of them and they are fairly small still. I raised them as tadpoles in my pool and so far they are all doing very, very well.(I am knocking on wood) They are all eating, pooping and are only in their pool on occasion and not more than a few minutes at a time. I am glad to get this info, since they are not dewormed, and I now know what to look out for so I can take immediate action. However, I am sorry to receive this info under these circumstances.
I will help you write letters, etc. on your behalf if you want, let me know.

[IgbyKibbits]

Crystal -

I am so sorry about your loss. I would definitely get your other guy checked out. Chances are if one of them was sick, the other one has been exposed as well. Hopefully, it's early enough that you can treat him sufficiently. I'm so sorry! I know how heartbreaking it is!

Take care -
IgbyKibbits

[Crystal6]

Very sorry for your loss. I know you must be upset and hurting from your loss, but I have to ask you a few questions. You said that you haven't been having much luck with frogs? Are you getting them all from the same place? It seems as though it may not be you as much as your getting sick frogs. If you do get any more, I'd go straight to the vet for an exam, immediately, have a fecal exam, etc. and have them dewormed. Then bring the bill to the pet store/breeder and let them know they sold you frogs that were ill and get a reimbursement. If you don't than he/she will continue this poor practice and you and others will be in this same situation again. Better yet file a complaint with the better business bureau or file a lemon law. There are lots of web sites that are dedicated to helping pet owners in this situation and they will help and guide you through the process.
I've only been a frog owner for several months and on this site about the same time, but I have been hearing a constant theme with recent purchases. Many of the frogs people have been buying/ordering are ill when they get them and the transition, causing considerable stress to the frog, makes the illness worse or make it abundantly apparent the frog is ill. Pet stores or breeders should not sell ill animals of any kind and are responsible if they do, don't let them skate on their obligation to you and hold them responsible for your loss. I am really angry about this and hate to see you and others go through this unnecessarily especially when the animal/pet expires.
I myself am a new owner of Gray Tree frogs and have been up in the air about whether to deworm them or not. I have 13 of them and they are fairly small still. I raised them as tadpoles in my pool and so far they are all doing very, very well.(I am knocking on wood) They are all eating, pooping and are only in their pool on occasion and not more than a few minutes at a time. I am glad to get this info, since they are not dewormed, and I now know what to look out for so I can take immediate action. However, I am sorry to receive this info under these circumstances.
I will help you write letters, etc. on your behalf if you want, let me know.

I mean I have been having bad luck with frogs+water.
When I first came to this website it was because I had been raising tadpoles that kept drowning. (I was used to raising the kind that have no problem getting out of the water. ) And recently I had a different tadpole that died before maturity as well.

As for the second frog, I'm hoping its just stressed from the traveling as it is the one that has actually been exploring the cage and reacting to things as a frog should. I'll try to find a vet in the area anyway though. (Though that is not an easy feat up here in Almost-in-Canada-Maine.)

Edit: Oh, also, I got my first frog from the same people. (Retsu chi) He is still alive and well.

[charlamanda]

I mean I have been having bad luck with frogs+water.
When I first came to this website it was because I had been raising tadpoles that kept drowning. (I was used to raising the kind that have no problem getting out of the water. ) And recently I had a different tadpole that died before maturity as well.

As for the second frog, I'm hoping its just stressed from the traveling as it is the one that has actually been exploring the cage and reacting to things as a frog should. I'll try to find a vet in the area anyway though. (Though that is not an easy feat up here in Almost-in-Canada-Maine.)

Edit: Oh, also, I got my first frog from the same people. (Retsu chi) He is still alive and well.

Sorry for my rant, but I hate to see people go though a loss or have a very sick pet after buying it ill. Pet stores, etc. should care for their stock as if they were their own and sell them in perfect health or be responsable!!!
I am also in the middle of nowhere, I am from a Manhattan suburb so it's relative of course, but I am also finding it difficult to get things around here I need for my frogs. Thank goodness for the internet and credit/debit cards!!!
Luckily I have well water, there are thousands of natural springs in the area that also feed the lakes. It's basically the same H20 that the frogs where used to in the pool already. During the summer when mine were just tads, in my closed pool, I'd fill the pool with water, from my hose, constantly, to keep the water temp constant, it being in the hot sun, and from evaporation. So the transition was flawless.
Do you have tap water?
Do you live in an area with little/no polution? I used to use rain water for my fish when I had tap water, I also use it for my plants, I love plants, my house is full of them as are my froggie homes. They both seem to do very well with the rain water.
Anyone have any thoughts on rain water, instead of treated tap???? Maybe this will help, it's worth a try.
I hope you have better luck, I'd hate to have you loose any more.

[Crystal6]

Sorry for my rant, but I hate to see people go though a loss or have a very sick pet after buying it ill. Pet stores, etc. should care for their stock as if they were their own and sell them in perfect health or be responsable!!!
I am also in the middle of nowhere, I am from a Manhattan suburb so it's relative of course, but I am also finding it difficult to get things around here I need for my frogs. Thank goodness for the internet and credit/debit cards!!!
Luckily I have well water, there are thousands of natural springs in the area that also feed the lakes. It's basically the same H20 that the frogs where used to in the pool already. During the summer when mine were just tads, in my closed pool, I'd fill the pool with water, from my hose, constantly, to keep the water temp constant, it being in the hot sun, and from evaporation. So the transition was flawless.
Do you have tap water?
Do you live in an area with little/no polution? I used to use rain water for my fish when I had tap water, I also use it for my plants, I love plants, my house is full of them as are my froggie homes. They both seem to do very well with the rain water.
Anyone have any thoughts on rain water, instead of treated tap???? Maybe this will help, it's worth a try.
I hope you have better luck, I'd hate to have you loose any more.

Np. The frogs seemed fine when I bought them. The both hopped around exploring their cage. Only odd thing was their staying near water and... well they were in a hot car, water sounded reasonable. And they were both (for the most part) the same turquoise color.

Then abruptly one of the frogs turned green and started floating around in the water like a drowning cricket. This was a picture taken of him before he died.


The other one just seems stressed. (Which makes sense. Suddenly being moved out of it's home into a small container and then put in a noisy expo room. Then being put in a strange new home and having your room mate die in your water dish.) Today it was exploring but I still haven't seen it eat any crickets and it moves pretty slowly.

I'm debating rather I should try the solution for stress. (stress.
Symptoms: animals won't eat and/or lay on their backs while twitching (often occurs with young animals). If you buy a new frog, place it in a small dish with some tepid water and a teaspoon of honey. Place the frog in this solution for 30 minutes. Then quarantine the frog for 30 days.) or the solution for being out of energy. (Another item I use commonly is an Electrolyte solution (Pedialyte), for new frogs or ones that seem dehydrated or listless, a few minutes in a bath of this can bring them around.) from the Frog First Aid.

Anyway. As for water, I don't use rain water out of fear of VOCs.

[Crystal6]

Update: Tried both treatments on the other one in an attempt to help it. (As it's only symptoms have been listlessness and not eating.) Didn't work. *RIP: Both blue phases*

I wish I could bring myself to regret getting them but I can't. The effort was worth the risk of disappointment, though that doesn't make the disappointment less harsh.

[bshmerlie]

So sorry to hear about your frogs.

[wesleybrouwer]

I should contact the supplier,
it's not normal frogs dying on you in such short notice.
Maybe you can arrange something with them.

I must say at first glance, nothings wrong with the frogs.
They seem well fed to me.
It would be guessing what happened.

Can you make a picture of the enclosure and say what the humidity and temperature are?
Maybe there is room for improvement or something.

One thing i would like to comment is,
you can better use a bowl of stone or plastic instead of a steel one.
There is a possibility this puts in metals (not sure of the English word) into the water
wich is not healthy for the frogs actually.


Anyways, contact the person who sold them and tell them how quick they died.
A healthy frog shouldn't have died that easy, 2 of them is even more doubtfull.