Suicidal White's TreeF.?

[Crystal6]

Okay so, I recently bought 2 Blue Phase tree frogs and, they are both smaller then the ones I've previously owned. Thus when I got them home I was unsure about their behavior.

Usually my younger frogs are more energetic but these ones have been hanging out in their water dish more or less perpetually. At first I wasn't worried because the crickets still disappeared from their cage but this morning it was a little different.

One of them lay stretched out across the water dish totally submerged in water. (Past it's nose.) If this wasn't alarming enough, it's color also changed from dark blue to bright yellow-green. (More like a non-blue phase) Because this was my first time having a blue phase I wasn't sure if the color meant anything but I did promptly take it out of the water to make sure it was still breathing. It was but it seemed oddly lethargic. (Young frogs usually care more when a scary human hand picks them up.)

I put him back in the cage away from the water dish but came back to check on him/her a few hours later. When I returned it was again totally submerged but this time it seemed stiff and the other frog was out of the water dish. I removed the green frog and found it dead.

I promptly cleaned the cage thoroughly and put the healthy frog back in, this time with less water so it could not float in it/ totally submerge it's self. My question is... did it somehow drown or was it ill? (I seem to have a lot of bad luck with frogs and water. >_>)

[1beataway]

I would guess that it was ill first. My young blue phase White's didn't spend that much time in the water. They acted just like adults, hanging out on the glass or on a leaf all day.

I don't know if it was sick and that made it easier for him to drown, or if he was sick and just died, but my guess would be ill (Just a guess from what you described). I would guess it was before you got him. I'm so sorry about your loss.

[wesleybrouwer]

Many people draw the conclusion that their frog drowned,
a healthy frog won't drown that easily, they will climb out when they wan't to.

The reason you find dead frogs in you're waterpart is that they seek to get enlightment for their illness.
They do that by sitting in the water, it helps them against the pain, worms, parasites etc.
Most of the times frogs that spend more time in the water then normal got something that has to be treated,
it's mostly one of the earlier signs something is wrong with them.

Taking some feces and having it examined will help you to diagnose the illness and possibly gives you an oppurtunity to treat it.
Look for a vetenarian in you;re region specialized in exotic animals,
under the microscope they can determine the cause easily most of the times.

In my experience most frogs sitting around the water all day have parasites and/or worms.
When not treated in time, it will kill them.
Most frogs always have worms and parasites, moving them or stressing them out will give them the oppurtunity to become worse because the imume system of the frog will get down a bit.

[charlamanda]

Very sorry for your loss. I know you must be upset and hurting from your loss, but I have to ask you a few questions. You said that you haven't been having much luck with frogs? Are you getting them all from the same place? It seems as though it may not be you as much as your getting sick frogs. If you do get any more, I'd go straight to the vet for an exam, immediately, have a fecal exam, etc. and have them dewormed. Then bring the bill to the pet store/breeder and let them know they sold you frogs that were ill and get a reimbursement. If you don't than he/she will continue this poor practice and you and others will be in this same situation again. Better yet file a complaint with the better business bureau or file a lemon law. There are lots of web sites that are dedicated to helping pet owners in this situation and they will help and guide you through the process.
I've only been a frog owner for several months and on this site about the same time, but I have been hearing a constant theme with recent purchases. Many of the frogs people have been buying/ordering are ill when they get them and the transition, causing considerable stress to the frog, makes the illness worse or make it abundantly apparent the frog is ill. Pet stores or breeders should not sell ill animals of any kind and are responsible if they do, don't let them skate on their obligation to you and hold them responsible for your loss. I am really angry about this and hate to see you and others go through this unnecessarily especially when the animal/pet expires.
I myself am a new owner of Gray Tree frogs and have been up in the air about whether to deworm them or not. I have 13 of them and they are fairly small still. I raised them as tadpoles in my pool and so far they are all doing very, very well.(I am knocking on wood) They are all eating, pooping and are only in their pool on occasion and not more than a few minutes at a time. I am glad to get this info, since they are not dewormed, and I now know what to look out for so I can take immediate action. However, I am sorry to receive this info under these circumstances.
I will help you write letters, etc. on your behalf if you want, let me know.

[IgbyKibbits]

Crystal -

I am so sorry about your loss. I would definitely get your other guy checked out. Chances are if one of them was sick, the other one has been exposed as well. Hopefully, it's early enough that you can treat him sufficiently. I'm so sorry! I know how heartbreaking it is!

Take care -
IgbyKibbits

[Crystal6]

Very sorry for your loss. I know you must be upset and hurting from your loss, but I have to ask you a few questions. You said that you haven't been having much luck with frogs? Are you getting them all from the same place? It seems as though it may not be you as much as your getting sick frogs. If you do get any more, I'd go straight to the vet for an exam, immediately, have a fecal exam, etc. and have them dewormed. Then bring the bill to the pet store/breeder and let them know they sold you frogs that were ill and get a reimbursement. If you don't than he/she will continue this poor practice and you and others will be in this same situation again. Better yet file a complaint with the better business bureau or file a lemon law. There are lots of web sites that are dedicated to helping pet owners in this situation and they will help and guide you through the process.
I've only been a frog owner for several months and on this site about the same time, but I have been hearing a constant theme with recent purchases. Many of the frogs people have been buying/ordering are ill when they get them and the transition, causing considerable stress to the frog, makes the illness worse or make it abundantly apparent the frog is ill. Pet stores or breeders should not sell ill animals of any kind and are responsible if they do, don't let them skate on their obligation to you and hold them responsible for your loss. I am really angry about this and hate to see you and others go through this unnecessarily especially when the animal/pet expires.
I myself am a new owner of Gray Tree frogs and have been up in the air about whether to deworm them or not. I have 13 of them and they are fairly small still. I raised them as tadpoles in my pool and so far they are all doing very, very well.(I am knocking on wood) They are all eating, pooping and are only in their pool on occasion and not more than a few minutes at a time. I am glad to get this info, since they are not dewormed, and I now know what to look out for so I can take immediate action. However, I am sorry to receive this info under these circumstances.
I will help you write letters, etc. on your behalf if you want, let me know.

I mean I have been having bad luck with frogs+water.
When I first came to this website it was because I had been raising tadpoles that kept drowning. (I was used to raising the kind that have no problem getting out of the water. ) And recently I had a different tadpole that died before maturity as well.

As for the second frog, I'm hoping its just stressed from the traveling as it is the one that has actually been exploring the cage and reacting to things as a frog should. I'll try to find a vet in the area anyway though. (Though that is not an easy feat up here in Almost-in-Canada-Maine.)

Edit: Oh, also, I got my first frog from the same people. (Retsu chi) He is still alive and well.

[charlamanda]

I mean I have been having bad luck with frogs+water.
When I first came to this website it was because I had been raising tadpoles that kept drowning. (I was used to raising the kind that have no problem getting out of the water. ) And recently I had a different tadpole that died before maturity as well.

As for the second frog, I'm hoping its just stressed from the traveling as it is the one that has actually been exploring the cage and reacting to things as a frog should. I'll try to find a vet in the area anyway though. (Though that is not an easy feat up here in Almost-in-Canada-Maine.)

Edit: Oh, also, I got my first frog from the same people. (Retsu chi) He is still alive and well.

Sorry for my rant, but I hate to see people go though a loss or have a very sick pet after buying it ill. Pet stores, etc. should care for their stock as if they were their own and sell them in perfect health or be responsable!!!
I am also in the middle of nowhere, I am from a Manhattan suburb so it's relative of course, but I am also finding it difficult to get things around here I need for my frogs. Thank goodness for the internet and credit/debit cards!!!
Luckily I have well water, there are thousands of natural springs in the area that also feed the lakes. It's basically the same H20 that the frogs where used to in the pool already. During the summer when mine were just tads, in my closed pool, I'd fill the pool with water, from my hose, constantly, to keep the water temp constant, it being in the hot sun, and from evaporation. So the transition was flawless.
Do you have tap water?
Do you live in an area with little/no polution? I used to use rain water for my fish when I had tap water, I also use it for my plants, I love plants, my house is full of them as are my froggie homes. They both seem to do very well with the rain water.
Anyone have any thoughts on rain water, instead of treated tap???? Maybe this will help, it's worth a try.
I hope you have better luck, I'd hate to have you loose any more.