HELP! Bringing home darts....

[MichaelS]

They aren't auratus. They look like tinctorius. They are may be powder blue and probably not a cross. It's hard to tell from the picture. 100% humidity and little ventilation can cause problems. Adult female tinctorius can be territorial and like to fight. Keep an eye on them to be sure they are not fighting. A nasty trick female tincts will do is hold other females under in a water dish or water area.

[kevinpilon1]

What problems r u referring to w/ 100% humidity? I have never heard of any. I suppose some people leave their tanks closed for days at a time and that could be unhealthy.

[JimO]

I was actually thinking of an auratus/tinc cross, maybe auratus crossed with azureus.

They aren't auratus. They look like tinctorius. They are may be powder blue and probably not a cross. It's hard to tell from the picture. 100% humidity and little ventilation can cause problems. Adult female tinctorius can be territorial and like to fight. Keep an eye on them to be sure they are not fighting. A nasty trick female tincts will do is hold other females under in a water dish or water area.

[whiteroses91]

Don't worry, I'm aware the 29 gallon is too small. We set up the 90, but hope to get rid of a few. I think, we have decided 4 is plenty. I think only 3 tops are males and the rest are female.

I also think they may be a cross breed, but my boyfriend isn't so certian, because one is VERY blue with no green. They all have the green and black bodies, then the black moves on to the legs and the green fades a slight blue green hue. But other's look like a normal black and green. He did a little research and thinks it might be a genetic defect, but who knows, seeing as I can't get ahold of the guy who gave them to the rescue.

I put a picture of two of my frogs and a picture of what I have done on the new set up. It should be done by this afternoon. All we have left to do is fill the lake(far right side) and the pond(far left side) with gravel, java moss, ferns, and other plants/rocks. Then plant the last three plants and cover the organic soil with top coat, add a little pea gravel around the river and done! lol

[kevinpilon1]

Yep I'm 99% sure they're hybrids. New setup looks good way to come to the rescue!

[whiteroses91]

We finished the 90 this morning and released the frogs. They seem to be very happy!

[MichaelS]

100% humidity with a top that is closed to ventilation most of the time can cause stagnant air near the floor. It discourages growth of most plants. I usually do my tanks with high humidity and a couple muffin fans blowing in and out.

I'd hesitate to guess they are cross breeds. Not many people cross dart frogs. Their are lots of types of tinctorious and lots of variation within those types of tinctorious. My guess is if you google Dendrobates tinctorious and look at pictures you will find some that look a lot like what you have.

[JimO]

I'd hesitate to guess they are cross breeds. Not many people cross dart frogs. Their are lots of types of tinctorious and lots of variation within those types of tinctorious. My guess is if you google Dendrobates tinctorious and look at pictures you will find some that look a lot like what you have.

I hate to disagree, but I've seen many cases where people have kept different morphs of a species or different species together and unintentionally created hydbrids. Some people deliberately create hybrids and at least one "morph" of tinctorius was found to be a hybrid of Powder Blue and Azureus tinctorius that had been created by a Dutch breeder who offered it as a new morph.

This is a photo of one of my Dendrobates auratus adults (Costa Rican Green and Black morph). This is a typical pattern for various auratus morphs and the frogs in question have similar body patterns. However, the leg patterns aren't right for an auratus.



If it's a pure auratus, it should be strongly marked on the belly, like this.



Here is a link to a site with morph guides for both D. tinctorius and D. auratus. Most of the known morphs in the pet trade are shown.

http://www.tropical-experience.nl/

[daziladi]

I would be in heaven with a 90 gallon tank! Gratz on your new frogs, looks like your patience paid off. Hope you post bigger photos when you can.

[JimO]

They aren't auratus. They look like tinctorius. They are may be powder blue and probably not a cross.

Again, I hate to disagree, but I have Powder Blue tadpoles that I obtained from a breeder and here are a couple of pictures of the parents for reference.

[MichaelS]

Again, I hate to disagree,

It doesn't look like you hate to disagree. It looks like you like to disagree. Marcus does a good job with his Tinctorious guide but it is not all inclusive. The pictures of the suspected crossbreeds are not clear enough to tell anything.

[JimO]

It doesn't look like you hate to disagree. It looks like you like to disagree.

No, not really. Just trying to help out. If the OP gets a positive ID that proves me completely wrong, I'm fine with that.

[MichaelS]

I would like to see an in focus picture of the frogs. I've seen a lot of variety in tinctorious including F1s from wild. Without knowing lineage sometimes it's difficult to say what they are.

[JBear]

I have seen one of my local pet shops have(very young) tincs, auratus, azies, and leucs in the same tank. When I questioned them on it, they said they do it that way b/c they are not sexually mature yet. The problem lies in that someone comes in off the street and sees them all housed together and makes assumptions. In the end they potentially all get bought and thrown into a genetic mixer under improper care. I can easily see how people can create these hybrids through nothing more than lack of knowledge and ignorance. It is a shame...

I agree that the frogs shown in the culture cup look like tinc+auratus. They look too long and also, as JimO said, the leg patterning is just off to be auratus full.In my opinion, probably some non hybrids(from original buy), and then some offspring showing the hybridization. That would explain the variety in the morphology, as from my own experience, babies tend to carry certain group traits by clutch.

JBear

[John]

I have to confess that I scrolled through the thread to see if there were pictures _before_ I read anything that was said about hybrids, and my first thought was "nice aur... wait a second, those look like hybrids". So I'm with the folks saying hybrid.