New species of Pyxicephalus?

[John]

That is quite possible - but who came up with the term "Tanzanian subspecies"? The animal in my photo was an adult and nowhere near the size of Giants. Also there was very little size difference between males and females when compared to the difference in Giants.

[Kevin1]

I found out it existed on a worldwide animal database.
I can't remember the site though nor could I found out much more info on it. To gain access to most of the info you had to be a biologist or zoologist or something of that sort.
I'll try to find the site today

[John]

I found out it existed on a worldwide animal database.
I can't remember the site though nor could I found out much more info on it. To gain access to most of the info you had to be a biologist or zoologist or something of that sort.
I'll try to find the site today

I'm a research scientist at a University in the US so I can probably access it and share what I find.

[Kevin1]

Oh wow thats pretty cool John.

Well I unfortunately couldn't find the site
but I did find the scientific name of the tanzanian subspecies.
There are at least 2 subspecies of Adspersus
There's the south african bullfrog
Pyxicephalus adspersus adspersus.
Which are the kind most common in the pet trade and they also get the largest.
Then there's the Tanzanian bullfrog
pyxicephalus adspersus angusticeps.
From what I've read they don't get much larger than edulis, males max out at about 5 inches.
Maybe you can found some info with that.
I will still try to find that site though.

[Douglas]

Very interesting thread you guys have going here.

Kevin, from what I have seen, the easiest way to separate dwarf from giant is just o look at the stripes. One tan colored strip = edulis. Three green stripes = adspersus.

I, too, believe there are a wide variety of different species within the two basic groups. But this is true for so many different taxa as subspecies are constantly being created due to different environmental pressures and stuff. We need to get over to Africa and do some work on these guys

[Kevin1]

are you the same Douglas from frogfreaks?

[Douglas]

Yep. Actually my name is Dave...Douglas is just the name of one of my frogs

[Kevin1]

Very interesting thread you guys have going here.

Kevin, from what I have seen, the easiest way to separate dwarf from giant is just o look at the stripes. One tan colored strip = edulis. Three green stripes = adspersus.

I, too, believe there are a wide variety of different species within the two basic groups. But this is true for so many different taxa as subspecies are constantly being created due to different environmental pressures and stuff. We need to get over to Africa and do some work on these guys

On the old fatfrogs forum I thought of that all on my own about the stripes I posted pictures and stuff because on the FF they all that those frogs in the pictures were EDulis.

[John]

It's nice to see you all here after being on Frog Freaks. I've visited that forum several times and I am signed up to it but the bad language (even though the rules say it should be family friendly) and the maturity level put me off posting :/.

[Daniel L]

I think I have the same specie, I got them as babies but now almost as big as the adspersus. But unlike as the edulis and the adspersus males this species has no thick tumbs.

[John]

I've seen your photos - he doesn't look like a different species. Not all members of the same species look the same.