Traded my horned frog

[John911]

Sucks to hear. I'm very tempted to pick up the pixie at that shop. But will probably hold off because 7 frogs in 2 months is enough.

[braaandooon]

Sucks to hear. I'm very tempted to pick up the pixie at that shop. But will probably hold off because 7 frogs in 2 months is enough.

are you talking about the pixie located in plainfield, if so i would grab it, that shop there is really nice, even though i didnt have the best of luck with the suriname i received from there, i attribute that more to shipping stress, i wish i wouldve just made the drive i guess a 6 hour round trip didnt sound good at the time, but after the fact i learned my frog was sick i made a 5 hour round trip to make a trade, i make no sense sometimes, but you live and you learn, 7 frogs is quite a bit in two months, maybe if i didnt have three mouths to feed and cloth i too could start keeping more frogs, or better yet i can just be blessed with a better paying job, lol, i would still like to get my hands on some colorado river toads sometime, maybe for christmas if i'm good, theres also a few aquatic salamanders i would also like to keep, a hellbender would be nice, as i have seen a few on the blue river that is only an hour east of me, but these things are on on the verge of extinction due to pollution, global warming, etc, i actually found a few young ones while hicking along the river but my conscience wouldnt allow me to take one considering there status, i wish there was a captive breeding program for these as there are for axolotls, anderson's salamanders, mudpuppies, etc

[John911]

are you talking about the pixie located in plainfield, if so i would grab it, that shop there is really nice.

Yup. I just realized i posted about the pixie twice in the same thread lol. I'm gonna hold off for a while.

[Deku]

I know more about fish than I know that about frogs. I will say this gulper catfish are one of my favorite fish(its on the top 3). But they are expensive as a heck hole. They can run up from 200bucks to 400bucks or more. Ived seen them at some auctions. Ived seen them online(Very very very rarely). Ived seen them in some stores(only once). Their price is extremely high. I hear you on that one. You have to have some experience under your belt to even keep one. Not because its hard to care for. But because you dont want to screw up and having it die and then flushing down a 200-400dollar fish. Sometimes they even run up to 600bucks!!! Ill say this. If you have enough money for that Iam sure youd have enough to get a batch(joke-money wise). Animals arent perfect. Just because you give the animal proper care, and everything they need. Does not mean itll be a 100% safe. Some even die randomly. We are not gods. We cannot go like "HUSHA! I COMMAND YOU TO LIVE AND NOT DIE!". It doesnt work like that. In nature alot of the animals that are born die within their first or second year. Making it to adulthood is actually a rare site in nature. But since animals breed by the millions then they have some chance of survival. On an enclosure they have 80% of survival; the other 10% is actually on the animal itself and luck and thats if its captive bred. If its wild caught chances are lowered to atleast 65%! Maybe even less. Point is=dont beat yourself up for it. Everyone makes mistakes. You said you are a starter on frogs right? Well there ya go. You kept a wild animal and it lasted a long time with you. Thats pretty good. Alot of people who literary JUST start out and go out and buy something extremely exotic end up having the animal die within a week or two. Also the "Ease" of care is not something to be taken lightly. Its not a test. When we say something is "Easy" to take care of it doesnt mean it wont die. It just means its easier to care for than say a rare, endangered frog.

Like example:
Green Tree frogs(american)
Gray Tree frog
Dumpy's tree frog
Fire belly toads
Red eared sliders
Painted turtles
Yellow belly sliders
Ball pythons
Corn snakes

Are all easier to take care of than say
Dart frogs
mantellas
arrow frogs
tree toads
cormuttas
Soft shelled turtles
Bog turtles
Map turtles
Snapping turtles
Carpet pythons
Taiwan Red Rat snake.

You know? But you did a good job to return it and exchange it for a different and simpler one.

[braaandooon]

I know more about fish than I know that about frogs. I will say this gulper catfish are one of my favorite fish(its on the top 3). But they are expensive as a heck hole. They can run up from 200bucks to 400bucks or more. Ived seen them at some auctions. Ived seen them online(Very very very rarely). Ived seen them in some stores(only once). Their price is extremely high. I hear you on that one. You have to have some experience under your belt to even keep one. Not because its hard to care for. But because you dont want to screw up and having it die and then flushing down a 200-400dollar fish. Sometimes they even run up to 600bucks!!! Ill say this. If you have enough money for that Iam sure youd have enough to get a batch(joke-money wise). Animals arent perfect. Just because you give the animal proper care, and everything they need. Does not mean itll be a 100% safe. Some even die randomly. We are not gods. We cannot go like "HUSHA! I COMMAND YOU TO LIVE AND NOT DIE!". It doesnt work like that. In nature alot of the animals that are born die within their first or second year. Making it to adulthood is actually a rare site in nature. But since animals breed by the millions then they have some chance of survival. On an enclosure they have 80% of survival; the other 10% is actually on the animal itself and luck and thats if its captive bred. If its wild caught chances are lowered to atleast 65%! Maybe even less. Point is=dont beat yourself up for it. Everyone makes mistakes. You said you are a starter on frogs right? Well there ya go. You kept a wild animal and it lasted a long time with you. Thats pretty good. Alot of people who literary JUST start out and go out and buy something extremely exotic end up having the animal die within a week or two. Also the "Ease" of care is not something to be taken lightly. Its not a test. When we say something is "Easy" to take care of it doesnt mean it wont die. It just means its easier to care for than say a rare, endangered frog.

Like example:
Green Tree frogs(american)
Gray Tree frog
Dumpy's tree frog
Fire belly toads
Red eared sliders
Painted turtles
Yellow belly sliders
Ball pythons
Corn snakes

Are all easier to take care of than say
Dart frogs
mantellas
arrow frogs
tree toads
cormuttas
Soft shelled turtles
Bog turtles
Map turtles
Snapping turtles
Carpet pythons
Taiwan Red Rat snake.

You know? But you did a good job to return it and exchange it for a different and simpler one.

yah i hear you on the gulper catfish prices, i actually got an awesome deal on mine i ordered 3 - 4" specimens 4 years ago and paid 60 a piece, for them, ordered them from rich from infinite aquatics, great guy, unfortunately rich is taking a break from the trade, and hasnt had these fish at that price since then, but yah now the cheapest you see a gulper for is 150 for a 3 incher , the bigger they get the pricier, i did end up losing one of the originals due to columnaris, due to of course usps shipping, there overnight turned into 2 days and after 70 dollars worth of kannaplex and a few weeks of daily water changes i had a male and female pull through, ive been trying to breed these fish the last two years and hopefully this year will be the year considering they are now fully mature, money wasnt so much of an issue then as i only had one daughter at the time, and was doing well in the once thriving rv industry, nowadays i work 3 part time jobs and have three children so a group of cornutas is kinda out of the question, atleast im done having children, and would love to try to keep a cornuta again one day, but will definatly stick to a captive bred animal, hopefully this will be sooner then later but there is also some other amphibians id like to keep that are higher up on my list at this time, a hellbender basically being the holy grail for me, but the odds of me finding one without illegally taking it out of its habitat is close to none, thats probaly more of a discussion suited for the caudata forum, but i dont like that forum and its communist ways, they hack apart my every post, i should start a thread about these in the off topic section, maybe someone out there may know of a source, but for now ill stick to refining my pacman skills and maybe one of these years try out some breeding, as breeding to me is a very rewarding part the hobby, ive breed plenty of central american cichlids, and one day hope to breed a few amphibians

[Deku]

yah i hear you on the gulper catfish prices, i actually got an awesome deal on mine i ordered 3 - 4" specimens 4 years ago and paid 60 a piece, for them, ordered them from rich from infinite aquatics, great guy, unfortunately rich is taking a break from the trade, and hasnt had these fish at that price since then, but yah now the cheapest you see a gulper for is 150 for a 3 incher , the bigger they get the pricier, i did end up losing one of the originals due to columnaris, due to of course usps shipping, there overnight turned into 2 days and after 70 dollars worth of kannaplex and a few weeks of daily water changes i had a male and female pull through, ive been trying to breed these fish the last two years and hopefully this year will be the year considering they are now fully mature, money wasnt so much of an issue then as i only had one daughter at the time, and was doing well in the once thriving rv industry, nowadays i work 3 part time jobs and have three children so a group of cornutas is kinda out of the question, atleast im done having children, and would love to try to keep a cornuta again one day, but will definatly stick to a captive bred animal, hopefully this will be sooner then later but there is also some other amphibians id like to keep that are higher up on my list at this time, a hellbender basically being the holy grail for me, but the odds of me finding one without illegally taking it out of its habitat is close to none, thats probaly more of a discussion suited for the caudata forum, but i dont like that forum and its communist ways, they hack apart my every post, i should start a thread about these in the off topic section, maybe someone out there may know of a source, but for now ill stick to refining my pacman skills and maybe one of these years try out some breeding, as breeding to me is a very rewarding part the hobby, ive breed plenty of central american cichlids, and one day hope to breed a few amphibians

I wanted to get a few because I hear they are a nice fish to own:
1)Active
2)Hardy(generally)
3)Strong appetite
4)Awesome shape and size(it doesnt grow past 6inches -USSUALLY-)

Only downsides its a risk. You MUST already have the tank cylced. You MUST have a quarantine tank. You must have knowledge about them. You cant feed them nilly willy. Like they tend to beg sometimes. You cannot give into that. Also you have to keep an eye on them since they live a long time. But again you dont want the money to go down the drain(seriously). You know it sounds wrong to say it like that. But their prices. Ived been trying to get a trio cheap. But its hard. Also I dont know much about them except the basics. So I dont want to enter a territory where I have no clue where Iam going. You know? But honestly dude. Thats a good find and congrats on that. Sure one fish death is bad. But its better than loosing a 200-500dollar fish. Lol. Also atleast you still have two alive.

One thing I must mention. Gulper catfish have no scales; therefore they are more sensitive to water quality. Scaleless fish tend to be more sensitive this means; catfish, puffers, and a few others. Only thing is you have to cycle the tank fishless. Also you have to be very careful with medicines. You should use low dosage. Since it not only will harm anything inside it but whatevers outside it as well. For tanks you NORMALLY dont need carbon. But for fish like these you actually need it. Carbon eats up any bad chems in the water. But you cant over use it otherwise it will also take the good stuff out of the water furthering harm on your fish. :P Id love to see some pictures sometime! As for your cornuta I hope its alright! Generally Iam wary about what I buy. I like buying hardy things JUST in case if I mess up somehow itll still leave me some elbow room to make it better.

[braaandooon]

I wanted to get a few because I hear they are a nice fish to own:
1)Active
2)Hardy(generally)
3)Strong appetite
4)Awesome shape and size(it doesnt grow past 6inches -USSUALLY-)

Only downsides its a risk. You MUST already have the tank cylced. You MUST have a quarantine tank. You must have knowledge about them. You cant feed them nilly willy. Like they tend to beg sometimes. You cannot give into that. Also you have to keep an eye on them since they live a long time. But again you dont want the money to go down the drain(seriously). You know it sounds wrong to say it like that. But their prices. Ived been trying to get a trio cheap. But its hard. Also I dont know much about them except the basics. So I dont want to enter a territory where I have no clue where Iam going. You know? But honestly dude. Thats a good find and congrats on that. Sure one fish death is bad. But its better than loosing a 200-500dollar fish. Lol. Also atleast you still have two alive.

One thing I must mention. Gulper catfish have no scales; therefore they are more sensitive to water quality. Scaleless fish tend to be more sensitive this means; catfish, puffers, and a few others. Only thing is you have to cycle the tank fishless. Also you have to be very careful with medicines. You should use low dosage. Since it not only will harm anything inside it but whatevers outside it as well. For tanks you NORMALLY dont need carbon. But for fish like these you actually need it. Carbon eats up any bad chems in the water. But you cant over use it otherwise it will also take the good stuff out of the water furthering harm on your fish. :P Id love to see some pictures sometime! As for your cornuta I hope its alright! Generally Iam wary about what I buy. I like buying hardy things JUST in case if I mess up somehow itll still leave me some elbow room to make it better.

well the main thing with gulper catfish is keeping there water very soft, they inhabit blackwater rivers with some current, a powerhead is definatly recommended as the added current brings these guys to life, otherwise they just hide behind driftwood , and driftwood is a must as they are driftwood catfishes and hide in driftwood to ambush there prey, they are pretty much like a fish version of a pacman frog, lol, they also grow larger than 6 inches, i keep both of mine in a 55g and they are both pushing a foot long, but havent grown noticeably in the last year, theres a place in ohio that has 13 incher for sale at 250, its been on aquabid for quite awhile, you could actually keep one of these in a 20 long as they are not quick, hell the only time mine are out swimming is during night hours and they swim directly into the current of my powerhead, kinda like a person running on a treadmill, the only real problem i have with them is keeping my ph below 7.0, i have to buy reverse osmosis water to do water changes, outside of that they are awesome fish and i mainly feed worms, and prawns, i also keep blue cetopsis catfish, these things are vicious and once through a rat into my tank and my school of five ate this rat from the inside out in a matter of minutes, i do not recommend this though as mammalian meat is bad for aquaria, anyways heres a pic of my gulpers, and one of my blue cetopsis(these were recently on an episode of river monsters)i may also want to start a new thread on this also as we are kinda getting away from the original topic but i just love talking about and showing off my animals, sorry about pic quality these were taken on a palm centro a few years back

[Deku]

hmm if it grows that big I guess I cant get em. Even if they will fit in a 40breeder. it doesnt matter. I think all animals should be given space even if they are lazy bums. Though I think osmosis water is bad for tanks other than reefs. Because they lack minerals found in fresh water. Which is bad. As for the thread. Yeah we can do that. :P Try feeding them earthworms once in a while. Iam sure theyd love it.

[Kurt]

Sucks to hear. I'm very tempted to pick up the pixie at that shop. But will probably hold off because 7 frogs in 2 months is enough.

Blasphemy!!!!

[John911]

Blasphemy!!!!

Ok ok...since our whites is moving into a 29 were considering getting a friend for her this Saturday at a show....

[braaandooon]

i just wish i could keep 7 frogs, only way of possibly setting up a third enclosure for me is to make a compromise and get rid of one of my fish tanks, my better half is already teed off im going to be caring for some leopard geckos and a green cheeked amazon parrot over the next two weeks while a good friend of mine is in the process of moving and remodeling

[Deku]

i just wish i could keep 7 frogs, only way of possibly setting up a third enclosure for me is to make a compromise and get rid of one of my fish tanks, my better half is already teed off im going to be caring for some leopard geckos and a green cheeked amazon parrot over the next two weeks while a good friend of mine is in the process of moving and remodeling

Leopards are easy to take care of quite frankly. So if you arent accostumed to lizards it shouldnt be a problem. For the parrot, it may or may not be. But in any case just feed it, clean out cage. Watch out for its beak. you do not want to get bit by a parrot. It hurts like hell. As for getting rid of one of your tanks, just dont get rid of the gulpers. :P You gotta love those lil guys. Good luck with whatever you end up keeping next. You can also try keeping a small 10g tank or something. That would give you some choices like:
fire bellies
pacmans
dart frogs(1-2)
smaller toads
generally anything small or inactive could prosper in a small 10g. A firebelly toad is active, but its small. So its okay in a 10g. Though its prefered they are in a 20g(length).

In any case just good luck with your animals. :P

[braaandooon]

space isnt so much an issue, i guess im supposed to be saving back for a wedding, new home, etc, if im out buying exotic pets im not really saving, but if im able to sell anything out of my collection i more than likely would be able to fund a new project without having my head ripped off, youd be suprised how many awesome critters i had to rehome when i was laid off 2 years back, i guess in this point in time im pretty happy with what i have, my main goal being to breed my gulpers right now as it starts to cool down, i will attempt to start that process in late october, i guess i would definatly be open to trading my cetopsis school for one of those cb brazillian horned frogs that are fairly new to the hobby, and also quite pricey, as far as the geckos and bird, im only worried about the bird, it is quite mean, and not really my cup of tea, about like you sad im just gonna feed it and clean up after it