New suriname horned frog

[braaandooon]

WOW, that must be some bait shop! I wish I had one like that around here. I would feed any species of toad to your frog I have seen some people do it with CB but that still doesn't make it safe. In my opinion if you have a steady and inexpensive supply of frogs that would be acceptable. The reason she may not be accepting the worms right now is because she may still need time to calm down(Mine took almost a week to start eating)or she may just not recognize a worm as a prey item. I have that exact problem with both my frogs they tend to like things that are more active worms tend to move quite slowly and don't trigger as hard of a prey response as something like crickets might. That is just my opinion though. Also, I am not really sure how long you can keep horned worms before the metamorphose in addition it would be very hard to tell what instar they would be at when you receive them. One way to tell when they are either close to death or metamorphosis is by their skin color and texture. If they turn to a darker green and begin to harden then they are a few days from going into metamorphosis. If they are just dark green and still keep their soft texture I would just watch that worm for a day and make sure it either dies or develops the tell tale thicker skin. I always avoid feeding my frogs dieing food items, its just a pet peeve of mine I'm not really sure if there is even any merit to that precaution its just one I take.

well its not necessarily a bait shop, but a local feed shop, i live in an area where the local economy is based around farming, livestock, and fishing, and i guess its a family operation thats been going on for close to 80 years now, the people are nice and great to talk to, and i like to support the local businesses as i live in the county with highest unemployment rate in the united states, i myself was affected, one of these days people will be able to afford recreational vehicles, lol, anyways thanks for the advice on the toads, wouldnt let my poor frog getting ahold of a small colorado river toad and tripping out during it last minutes, even though if i was lucky enough to find one in a batch of toads, i definatly would be setting up a new enclosure for it, I do have one large cricket that is being treated like a family pet at this time, ive been introducing it at night before i go to bed, and if its still there in the morning, i take it and continue to gut load it, not sure if i should introduce anymore crickets as all my reptile keeper friends tell me to many will stress your animal out, my cranwelli used to eat crickets, but not so much the last few months so i haven't been keeping them around, shell eat sooner or later, my cranwelli didnt eat for 10 days when i first brought him home so i've learned to have patience, here in a few days after im confident shes settled ill probaly start to offer other foods like minnows, and introducing a few more crickets into the enclosre, and keep with offering a variety different worms, at this time im offering mealworms, red wigglers, earth worms, and silk worms, i guess i prefer worms as a staple as they are cheap, easily obtained, and they arent noisy or pissy smelling like a group of crickets after a few weeks, anyways good luck finding one if you decide to keep one, i spent quite a few late nights searching, and sent countless emails trying to find one, i had to spell the name of the frog wrong while googling to find one that wasnt beeing shipped from japan.

[braaandooon]

Very cool frog. Gonna have to add that to my want list.

well, if you do, you will probaly be able to find one locally, mine was purchased just south of you in plainfield, theres a frog breeder in your area that imports them on occasion, they are wc's as i just recently found out the origin of my frog

[BrooklynBoas]

Wow this is ironic and weird on so many levels but Brandon I actually was living in Indy last year and I know about the areas of Elkhart, Goshen, etc... I truly hope employment looks up for you guys and everyone in turmoil in these times. I too also have been interested in suri's and wanted to know the updated status of your girl, have you tried attaining a leopard frog or another Amazonian safe frog to feed her ?
There is a breeder who is offering up to me a sub adult WC surinam, nice colors and all but I'm skeptic
on integrating a WC (claiming to be eating night crawlers) to Captivity especially if I'm paying 150 because of the brightness. So any suggestions on this? I'm always up for the challenge. I just wonder if he has them on nightcrawlers should
I invest in this or should I go with the nicely colored japan imports I have seen floating around as they do have some really pristine pacmans.

[braaandooon]

150 seems pretty steep, not sure what the differences in price are between the wc's or captives, but have always noticed they are around the same price, kingsnake just had a cb full green suriname for 100, it was gone within hours of course, so if you find one you better jump on it, ive had my amazon horned for 5 days now and she is yet to eat anything ive introduced to her, ive offered 5 different types of worms with no luck, and as of last night i introduced a few large crickets, with everyone of them still there, the crickets have not seemed to stimulate any kind of feeding response as she has been stationary in the same spot for the better part 3 days now, doesnt even look like shes moved a finger, so hopefully she starts feeding soon, in the coming days i plan on offering minnows, and a dwarf aquatic frog i picked up yesterday, so hopefully somthing gives, i do know my frog wasnt to happy after shipping and was also told that she didnt eat for for a little over a week after she arrived at the store she was at, one thing is for sure is she acts nothing like my cranwelli, i am actually starting to worry a bit as she doesn't burrow at all, even when my cranwelli went on his 10 day hunger strike upon arriving in his new home he would burrow and act like a typical pac, but this suriname seems reluctant to do anything, its almost like shes constantly asleep, when food gets close is the only time i get any reaction which is just her rolling her face into the ground and then back to her typical dormant position, anyways if you find a good suriname, the wild ones look alot more cryptic than the cb's. the horns on cb's arent nearly as pronounced, and the eyes in cb's seem to lack alot of the wild cryptic markings, ive only personally seen wild caught surinames though, only seeing the one i have and the group that the newport aquarium has and they all look alike, all th cb's ive seen have been posted online and have only been seen through a camera lense, but other keepers of these frogs have shared the same information

[BrooklynBoas]

I agree 150 shipped is steep so i'm guessing it is 100 plus the shipping.

I know exactly what you mean I actually have been looking up care sheets feeding and reading and right now I have only come across some info on wiki as far as diet break down listing lizards, some aquatic frogs i have been trying to find what native amazonian frogs they are likely to eat, and mice, so how about you try a pinkie as well. and here goes a link of i believe a breeder feeding a WC :

Conning the clamped cornuta ie getting the WC to eat - talk to the frog

[braaandooon]

yah ive had that link bookmarked for sometime now, and i guess will be using it as a reference for when worst comes to worst , i even doubt my frog has eaten before being shipped as i have yet to see any poo whatsoever, my frog is definatly starting to look worse as everyday passes, and is to the point of looking way to bony for any amphibian, this morning i have finally taken the cover off(ive been keeping a towel over my terrarium so the little traffic to my room doesnt stress the frog) the enclosure as i feel 5 days of almost complete confinement outside of the food offerings has been enough to settle in some, and due to the declining state of the frog somthing has to give, i guess another question i have is would now be a good time to treat for parasites? and if so what do you guys recommend using? my guess is this frog may have never been treated and may possibly be infected with worms, parasites, etc, my frog may have been in captivity for a while, but from the photo on the website of my exact frog, to my frog arriving here, you can see a definate amount of body mass loss, as of now i will try a warm bath and try to get some poo out or if impacted some how hope it passes, and giving the state of the frog, will probaly attempt force feeding as this seems to be the norm in wc surinames after talking to a few people with expierience with these guys

[pacsack]

yah ive had that link bookmarked for sometime now, and i guess will be using it as a reference for when worst comes to worst , i even doubt my frog has eaten before being shipped as i have yet to see any poo whatsoever, my frog is definatly starting to look worse as everyday passes, and is to the point of looking way to bony for any amphibian, this morning i have finally taken the cover off(ive been keeping a towel over my terrarium so the little traffic to my room doesnt stress the frog) the enclosure as i feel 5 days of almost complete confinement outside of the food offerings has been enough to settle in some, and due to the declining state of the frog somthing has to give, i guess another question i have is would now be a good time to treat for parasites? and if so what do you guys recommend using? my guess is this frog may have never been treated and may possibly be infected with worms, parasites, etc, my frog may have been in captivity for a while, but from the photo on the website of my exact frog, to my frog arriving here, you can see a definate amount of body mass loss, as of now i will try a warm bath and try to get some poo out or if impacted some how hope it passes, and giving the state of the frog, will probaly attempt force feeding as this seems to be the norm in wc surinames after talking to a few people with expierience with these guys

First off no poo in the enclosure doesn't necessarily mean impaction. It could mean a number of things from just not really much in his system to poo out to you just cant find it. Mice are not on the cornuta's natural menu but seeing as your frog is WC and lean I would most definitely buy a small feeder mouse and put it in there and let your frog do what it does best. I would stress trying this before attempting to force feed. For some, the only reason why they have to force feed their WC frog is because they started doing it in the first place out of impatience and in doing so created a self caused stress cycle. In other words the reason why its not eating is because its being force fed! a bit ironic huh? You will be surprised how well these guys respond to an active prey item at the right time. I would put prey item in at night, also something else to consider is possibly a mixed up sleep cycle, your nocturnal frog could be acting diurnal which is not good but should hopefully correct itself. I am not sure on this but just a speculation, since your frog is wild caught from surinam or wherever it prospectively came from it is possible that transitioning from its timezone to yours could have thrown its sleep cycle off. Again I'm not sure about frogs but I know my sleep cycle gets pretty mixed up when traveling through timezones! Also, be sure you get a SMALL mouse and watch tentatively while its in the frogs enclosure the mouse will not predate upon the frog but mice can and will defend themselves at which point you may need to step in and prevent the mouse from biting, personally, the few times I have fed mice I have never had this problem but that does not mean it cant happen.

[braaandooon]

First off no poo in the enclosure doesn't necessarily mean impaction. It could mean a number of things from just not really much in his system to poo out to you just cant find it. Mice are not on the cornuta's natural menu but seeing as your frog is WC and lean I would most definitely buy a small feeder mouse and put it in there and let your frog do what it does best. I would stress trying this before attempting to force feed. For some, the only reason why they have to force feed their WC frog is because they started doing it in the first place out of impatience and in doing so created a self caused stress cycle. In other words the reason why its not eating is because its being force fed! a bit ironic huh? You will be surprised how well these guys respond to an active prey item at the right time. I would put prey item in at night, also something else to consider is possibly a mixed up sleep cycle, your nocturnal frog could be acting diurnal which is not good but should hopefully correct itself. I am not sure on this but just a speculation, since your frog is wild caught from surinam or wherever it prospectively came from it is possible that transitioning from its timezone to yours could have thrown its sleep cycle off. Again I'm not sure about frogs but I know my sleep cycle gets pretty mixed up when traveling through timezones! Also, be sure you get a SMALL mouse and watch tentatively while its in the frogs enclosure the mouse will not predate upon the frog but mice can and will defend themselves at which point you may need to step in and prevent the mouse from biting, personally, the few times I have fed mice I have never had this problem but that does not mean it cant happen.

well as far as i know this frog was in a shop for the better part of 6 months, so it was probably under fluros on par with the shops operating hours, since its been in my home its been next to a window getting 12 hours of natural lighting a day with a towel thrown over the top of the enclosure covering its front and sides, ive barely disturbed the frog outside of offering worms in the morning and offering again before i go to bed, i have been keeping one large cricket in the enclosure overnight, and taking it out every morning when offering worms, as of this morning i have introduced 5 crickets into its home and am going to leave them there to stay, i also plan on not offering any other food that way im staying out of the enclosure completely, if crickets dont start dissapearing over the next two nights , ill offer a small mouse, not sure how well shell take to that considering shes showing no interest in the small aquatic frog that now resides in her water hole, i just introduced the aquatic frog after the warm bath and am hoping either that or some crickets will be missing in the morning