New suriname horned frog

[braaandooon]

i hear that on the wild caught toads i see quite a bit around the house, have never fed any to my cranwelli as i do spray for weeds and such in my yard every spring, but i did go to the bait/feed shop this morning and they copied a list of inventory they have access too, everything they carry is captive breed from like 50 types of worms, and a few different species of frog, they keep toads at there location as they are the cheapest, i see they do carry horn worms at almost a dollar a piece, whats the shelf life on these by the way before they turn into moths, anyways picked up some silkworms as they had a ton in, and checked in on my suriname, and offered one to her, not to interested, she made a small attempt at it, and that was it, not a big deal though, good news is she seems alot more alive today, and she is now holding down shop and hopping around in her water hole, she looks alot fatter and healthier today, starting to think maybe the heat from shipping may have triggered her into the start aestivation, anyways she seems happier today and so am i so i snapped a few pics

[pacsack]

WOW, that must be some bait shop! I wish I had one like that around here. I would feed any species of toad to your frog I have seen some people do it with CB but that still doesn't make it safe. In my opinion if you have a steady and inexpensive supply of frogs that would be acceptable. The reason she may not be accepting the worms right now is because she may still need time to calm down(Mine took almost a week to start eating)or she may just not recognize a worm as a prey item. I have that exact problem with both my frogs they tend to like things that are more active worms tend to move quite slowly and don't trigger as hard of a prey response as something like crickets might. That is just my opinion though. Also, I am not really sure how long you can keep horned worms before the metamorphose in addition it would be very hard to tell what instar they would be at when you receive them. One way to tell when they are either close to death or metamorphosis is by their skin color and texture. If they turn to a darker green and begin to harden then they are a few days from going into metamorphosis. If they are just dark green and still keep their soft texture I would just watch that worm for a day and make sure it either dies or develops the tell tale thicker skin. I always avoid feeding my frogs dieing food items, its just a pet peeve of mine I'm not really sure if there is even any merit to that precaution its just one I take.

[John911]

Very cool frog. Gonna have to add that to my want list.

[braaandooon]

Very cool frog. Gonna have to add that to my want list.

well, if you do, you will probaly be able to find one locally, mine was purchased just south of you in plainfield, theres a frog breeder in your area that imports them on occasion, they are wc's as i just recently found out the origin of my frog

[BrooklynBoas]

Wow this is ironic and weird on so many levels but Brandon I actually was living in Indy last year and I know about the areas of Elkhart, Goshen, etc... I truly hope employment looks up for you guys and everyone in turmoil in these times. I too also have been interested in suri's and wanted to know the updated status of your girl, have you tried attaining a leopard frog or another Amazonian safe frog to feed her ?
There is a breeder who is offering up to me a sub adult WC surinam, nice colors and all but I'm skeptic
on integrating a WC (claiming to be eating night crawlers) to Captivity especially if I'm paying 150 because of the brightness. So any suggestions on this? I'm always up for the challenge. I just wonder if he has them on nightcrawlers should
I invest in this or should I go with the nicely colored japan imports I have seen floating around as they do have some really pristine pacmans.

[braaandooon]

150 seems pretty steep, not sure what the differences in price are between the wc's or captives, but have always noticed they are around the same price, kingsnake just had a cb full green suriname for 100, it was gone within hours of course, so if you find one you better jump on it, ive had my amazon horned for 5 days now and she is yet to eat anything ive introduced to her, ive offered 5 different types of worms with no luck, and as of last night i introduced a few large crickets, with everyone of them still there, the crickets have not seemed to stimulate any kind of feeding response as she has been stationary in the same spot for the better part 3 days now, doesnt even look like shes moved a finger, so hopefully she starts feeding soon, in the coming days i plan on offering minnows, and a dwarf aquatic frog i picked up yesterday, so hopefully somthing gives, i do know my frog wasnt to happy after shipping and was also told that she didnt eat for for a little over a week after she arrived at the store she was at, one thing is for sure is she acts nothing like my cranwelli, i am actually starting to worry a bit as she doesn't burrow at all, even when my cranwelli went on his 10 day hunger strike upon arriving in his new home he would burrow and act like a typical pac, but this suriname seems reluctant to do anything, its almost like shes constantly asleep, when food gets close is the only time i get any reaction which is just her rolling her face into the ground and then back to her typical dormant position, anyways if you find a good suriname, the wild ones look alot more cryptic than the cb's. the horns on cb's arent nearly as pronounced, and the eyes in cb's seem to lack alot of the wild cryptic markings, ive only personally seen wild caught surinames though, only seeing the one i have and the group that the newport aquarium has and they all look alike, all th cb's ive seen have been posted online and have only been seen through a camera lense, but other keepers of these frogs have shared the same information

[BrooklynBoas]

I agree 150 shipped is steep so i'm guessing it is 100 plus the shipping.

I know exactly what you mean I actually have been looking up care sheets feeding and reading and right now I have only come across some info on wiki as far as diet break down listing lizards, some aquatic frogs i have been trying to find what native amazonian frogs they are likely to eat, and mice, so how about you try a pinkie as well. and here goes a link of i believe a breeder feeding a WC :

Conning the clamped cornuta ie getting the WC to eat - talk to the frog

[braaandooon]

WOW, that must be some bait shop! I wish I had one like that around here. I would feed any species of toad to your frog I have seen some people do it with CB but that still doesn't make it safe. In my opinion if you have a steady and inexpensive supply of frogs that would be acceptable. The reason she may not be accepting the worms right now is because she may still need time to calm down(Mine took almost a week to start eating)or she may just not recognize a worm as a prey item. I have that exact problem with both my frogs they tend to like things that are more active worms tend to move quite slowly and don't trigger as hard of a prey response as something like crickets might. That is just my opinion though. Also, I am not really sure how long you can keep horned worms before the metamorphose in addition it would be very hard to tell what instar they would be at when you receive them. One way to tell when they are either close to death or metamorphosis is by their skin color and texture. If they turn to a darker green and begin to harden then they are a few days from going into metamorphosis. If they are just dark green and still keep their soft texture I would just watch that worm for a day and make sure it either dies or develops the tell tale thicker skin. I always avoid feeding my frogs dieing food items, its just a pet peeve of mine I'm not really sure if there is even any merit to that precaution its just one I take.

well its not necessarily a bait shop, but a local feed shop, i live in an area where the local economy is based around farming, livestock, and fishing, and i guess its a family operation thats been going on for close to 80 years now, the people are nice and great to talk to, and i like to support the local businesses as i live in the county with highest unemployment rate in the united states, i myself was affected, one of these days people will be able to afford recreational vehicles, lol, anyways thanks for the advice on the toads, wouldnt let my poor frog getting ahold of a small colorado river toad and tripping out during it last minutes, even though if i was lucky enough to find one in a batch of toads, i definatly would be setting up a new enclosure for it, I do have one large cricket that is being treated like a family pet at this time, ive been introducing it at night before i go to bed, and if its still there in the morning, i take it and continue to gut load it, not sure if i should introduce anymore crickets as all my reptile keeper friends tell me to many will stress your animal out, my cranwelli used to eat crickets, but not so much the last few months so i haven't been keeping them around, shell eat sooner or later, my cranwelli didnt eat for 10 days when i first brought him home so i've learned to have patience, here in a few days after im confident shes settled ill probaly start to offer other foods like minnows, and introducing a few more crickets into the enclosre, and keep with offering a variety different worms, at this time im offering mealworms, red wigglers, earth worms, and silk worms, i guess i prefer worms as a staple as they are cheap, easily obtained, and they arent noisy or pissy smelling like a group of crickets after a few weeks, anyways good luck finding one if you decide to keep one, i spent quite a few late nights searching, and sent countless emails trying to find one, i had to spell the name of the frog wrong while googling to find one that wasnt beeing shipped from japan.