horned worms you say, sounds cool actually, do they keep as easily as most worms, local bait shop is getting me a list of everything they have access to, i guess its quite exstensive, they seem to be able to get anything i ask for, i know they stock silk worms and they also keep live feeder toads for the most part, so if worst comes to worst ill have that to fall back on, i guess i can thank the local lakes for the abundance of northern pike as live frogs and toads are a prefered bait while trolling