yah ive had that link bookmarked for sometime now, and i guess will be using it as a reference for when worst comes to worst , i even doubt my frog has eaten before being shipped as i have yet to see any poo whatsoever, my frog is definatly starting to look worse as everyday passes, and is to the point of looking way to bony for any amphibian, this morning i have finally taken the cover off(ive been keeping a towel over my terrarium so the little traffic to my room doesnt stress the frog) the enclosure as i feel 5 days of almost complete confinement outside of the food offerings has been enough to settle in some, and due to the declining state of the frog somthing has to give, i guess another question i have is would now be a good time to treat for parasites? and if so what do you guys recommend using? my guess is this frog may have never been treated and may possibly be infected with worms, parasites, etc, my frog may have been in captivity for a while, but from the photo on the website of my exact frog, to my frog arriving here, you can see a definate amount of body mass loss, as of now i will try a warm bath and try to get some poo out or if impacted some how hope it passes, and giving the state of the frog, will probaly attempt force feeding as this seems to be the norm in wc surinames after talking to a few people with expierience with these guys