New pickup and pictures from MN Show 8/15/2010

[Eel Noob]

Was hoping someone would have a pyxie or budgett for sell but didn't see any so I picked up this cranwelli pacman.








Here's a few other animals at the show.


















crested x chahoua mix








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[pixiefrogman]

Congrats on the new frog!

[Ebony]

Very nice Pacman. What species is the third frog? I thought maybe Milk frog but the eyes are different. Thanks for sharing the photo's.

[SethD]

Very nice Pacman. What species is the third frog? I thought maybe Milk frog but the eyes are different. Thanks for sharing the photo's.

It looks like a young Theloderma asperum. I am pretty sure that is what it is, you see CB examples of that species fairly commonly over here in the states.

[Ebony]

The Bird poop frog, Thanks Seth. I did look that one up but thought that the marking were to distinct and not so merged like the photo's I saw. Poor little frog being labeled with that name. I see it has a few names but that one is just mean.

[John]

Very nice photographs - thanks for posting.

[Jeff Boyardee]

Great pick-up on the cranwelli, love his green!!

Nice show pics as well. Awesome looking leachie!!

Thumbs down on the crested x chahoua. Just because they can mix, doesn't mean they should.

[SethD]

Thumbs down on the crested x chahoua. Just because they can mix, doesn't mean they should.

Not to start an argument, but look at it this way. Such animals are being bred for the pet trade. It really isn't any different than intentionally producing albinos or any other mutation that would rarely occur in the wild. In the case of poison frogs hybrids tends to be frowned on because there are already so many different races and morphs that it would be easy to mistake a hybrid for a "new morph", especially since new morphs are discovered quite often. In species that are not quite so variable as poison frogs naturally are hybrids don't cause the same kind of confusion issues within the trade. As long as it is accurately labeled for what it is it should be viewed no differently than a color morph of a given species. It might not be your personal preference but it doesn't really hurt anything.


Very nice pictures btw

[Jeff Boyardee]

Not to start an argument, but look at it this way. Such animals are being bred for the pet trade. It really isn't any different than intentionally producing albinos or any other mutation that would rarely occur in the wild. In the case of poison frogs hybrids tends to be frowned on because there are already so many different races and morphs that it would be easy to mistake a hybrid for a "new morph", especially since new morphs are discovered quite often. In species that are not quite so variable as poison frogs naturally are hybrids don't cause the same kind of confusion issues within the trade. As long as it is accurately labeled for what it is it should be viewed no differently than a color morph of a given species. It might not be your personal preference but it doesn't really hurt anything.

Very nice pictures btw

There's nowhere to go but an argument with your reply. Go to the repashy forum and see how a few pictures of a crested x chahoua started a 14 page argument.

[Eel Noob]

Thanks everyone

Would of taken more pictures but I was really limited with my Sigma 150mm lens. I really need to save up for a zoom.


Anyone with experience raising these green pacmans? Do they eventually turn brown like most petstore pacmans or just a duller green?

[SethD]

Anyone with experience raising these green pacmans? Do they eventually turn brown like most petstore pacmans or just a duller green?

Most cranwelli end up brown, including most that start out green. Some will stay green through adulthood though although the degree of green is usually reduced from what it was as a froglet. Ornata are more reliably green as adults.

[chipcount]

nice pick ups!

[Eel Noob]

Most cranwelli end up brown, including most that start out green. Some will stay green through adulthood though although the degree of green is usually reduced from what it was as a froglet. Ornata are more reliably green as adults.

Right now I'm hoping it doesn't gradually starts turning brown.

Wouldn't mind having a all green and black Ornate or one that is over 90% red.

nice pick ups!

Thanks