Pyxicephalus Differences

[tgampper]

WOW Thank you so much for posting this. We (pyxie enthusiasts) really needed a good explanation between the two major species.

I agree

I've kept an African bullfrog in the past and enjoyed it being a part of my life for 20 years. It is so important that people do a little homework before buying frogs or toads so they can plan a suitable habitat for their pet. The genera Pyxicephalus and Tomopterna are in chaos as there are new species being discovered that have not yet been identified by scientists.

[Paul Rust]

How about creating a full blown article Terry? I know it takes a lot of time and effort but it would be a superb piece if you wrote it!

[tgampper]

I have prepared an African Bullfrog Identification Guide. This will hopefully explain the differences between Pyxicephalus adspursus and P. edulis. Also covers some species in the genus Tomopterna, popularly known as sand frogs or "pyxies". Please click on the link below to access the document. I will be looking forward to your comments and suggestions. Thanks!

http://xenopus.freeshell.org/abig.doc

[onedge30]

Thank you very much, Terry! That is great to begin to see why the confusion exists. And if a seller does not have an interest in pixies, I can see how the confusion can easily pass by their inspection.

Yes, an article would be fantastic. We could even include it with a specific guide on sexing them as well. Pictures of the contrasting differences would really help. I am highly visual and love the visual reference.

Wow, if only studying a species in the field would actually pay something. Very sad that to get the information, someone must give up everything to dive completely into the study.

Question, Terry. Where does this funny 'species'(used very loosely) coming from Tanzania fit? It really looks like edulis.

[tgampper]

Thank you very much, Terry! That is great to begin to see why the confusion exists. And if a seller does not have an interest in pixies, I can see how the confusion can easily pass by their inspection.

Thanks for the comment, Jeff! I am sure that a few breeders/importers sell frogs without knowing what species they are. A local pet shop was selling a beautiful toad but didn't know what species it was, I was the one who did some research and identified it. Why should the buyer have to do the "dirty work"?

Yes, an article would be fantastic. We could even include it with a specific guide on sexing them as well. Pictures of the contrasting differences would really help. I am highly visual and love the visual reference.

I am not sure how to put the article on the forum, that is why I provided a link to my website. Maybe John or Kurt would be able to figure it out. I am also highly visual and love lots of pictures. John is the "pyxie guru" and could help out with the sexing issue. My main interest is in Pipidae and amphibian taxonomy.

Wow, if only studying a species in the field would actually pay something. Very sad that to get the information, someone must give up everything to dive completely into the study.

That would be so cool to do some real field research. The zoo I worked at has a close relationship with the Jo-burg Zoo and the South African Amphibian Conservation Center. I had an opportunity to work with Mantellas, Madagascar rain frogs, African reed frogs and several critically endangered/extinct in the wild amphibians. It was a great experience!

Question, Terry. Where does this funny 'species'(used very loosely) coming from Tanzania fit? It really looks like edulis.

You have to remember that the family Pyxicephalidae has some 67 species and to make it more confusing is that species are being assigned into mew genera. As DNA analysis improves, biologists are finding out that species they thought were related are in reality not related at all. That's one reason why Pyxicephalus was split into at least two genera. Some scientists consider adspersus and edulis to be subspecies. There is a third species, P. obbianus that is endemic to Somalia which I don't know much about right now. I understand that there are Pyxie hybrids around. Maybe that's your "funny species"!

[onedge30]

Arrgh! I think my brain is going to explode!

Ok, just looking around FF at pictures, I find what was thought to beobbianus and serveral that look like adspersus but with edulis coloring!!

I love all the information, but trying to look at the visuals with out a specific 'true' guide, your mind just begins to smoke.

I wonder with all the pictures and comments on FF, if we could begin to build a pic genius library with pictures from FF? And maybe some from crossover sites. If we could put together a verbal description for each species to start with.

Oh, just thinking out loud.

Cheers

[Jace]

I never realized the diversity within this group! I stumbled onto this species quite by accident-my first male was brought into the petstore a cute quarter-size froglet and not even the people selling him realized what he could grow into. It was a bit of a surprise to realize that my so-called "pyxie" was going to remain anything but!! Now my total is up to three P. adspersus and I have been searching in vain for a P. edulis to add to my collection with no luck.

I agree completely with Jeff-any sort of written and visual aide would be amazing. Thanks Terry!

[pyxieBob]

the link is broken.............

I have prepared an African Bullfrog Identification Guide. This will hopefully explain the differences between Pyxicephalus adspursus and P. edulis. Also covers some species in the genus Tomopterna, popularly known as sand frogs or "pyxies". Please click on the link below to access the document. I will be looking forward to your comments and suggestions. Thanks!

http://xenopus.freeshell.org/abig.doc