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    Unhappy Albino pacman not eating, help please.

    Hello ladies and gentleman, thanks in advance for your help.
    I really need it.
    1. Size of enclosure - 50cm*20cm*30cm (little bit less than 10 gallon)
    2. # of inhabitants - specifically other frogs and size differences - 1 (just the pacman)
    3. Humidity - 80/85 rarely 90 (would 90 be fine? Or is it too much?)
    4. Temperature - 27.5C during day, 24.5 at night
    5. Water - type - for both misting and soaking dish - bottled water, 1/2 days catching air.
    6. Materials used for substrate - Ecoearth
    7. Enclosure set up i.e. plants (live or artificial), wood, bark and other materials. - Fake plant, don't even know the kind, sorry
    8. Main food source - None so far;
    9. Vitamins and calcium? (how often) - I've both, wasn't able to feed him yet, i've reptivite without D3 and repticalcium without D3.
    10. Lighting - LED 9-11H day
    11. What is being used to maintain the temperature of the enclosure - Ceramic lamp, thermostast and dimmer
    12. When is the last time he/she ate - 1.5 Weeks ago
    13. Have you found poop lately - Yes, the day before yesterday when i gave him "hot"(31C) bath with honey.
    14. A pic would be helpful including frog and enclosure (any including cell phone pic is fine) Will post later, sorry don't have one in hand
    15. Describe frog's symptoms and/or recent physical changes; to include it's ventral/belly area. - i noticed a small lump on the right side, which got away when he pooped.
    16. How old is the frog - I'd guess he has just lost his tail.
    17. How long have you owned him/her - 2 Weeks
    18. Is the frog wild caught or captive bred - Captive bred
    19. Frog food- how often and if it is diverse, what other feeders are used as treats -> I tried crickets so far. Smaller and bigger
    20. How often the frog is handled. - Quite a lot, but i try to not handle hit, i've put him on honey bath two times
    21. Is the enclosure kept in a high or low traffic area - Medium i would say, in my room, i try to not mess with him too much.
    22. Describe enclosure maintenance (water changes, cleaning, etc) -> water bowl every day, spot cleaning(none so far, just on the honey bath once), and eco earth still the first one, changing it next week.

    So guys, i'm new to the forum and i actually need your help, my frog has not been eating lately and i'm worrying now.
    I've bought him 2 weeks ago, i gave him one cricket 3 days after he arrived and he has eaten it. He did not eat the two first day(i thought it was normal since i believed he has eaten in the store).
    he is a baby i believe he has just lost his tail, i've had him for two weeks almost now and when he arrived he had still some tail left i believe. So between the first cricket and now he has not eaten at all, and i'm worrying... I'm planing on getting some European Nightcrawlers to see if he eats it.
    I've seen that he didn't pooped so far, so two days ago i've putted him in a honey bath, and he did a big one, (almost two weeks without) but still not eating.
    I've tapped a tropical poster in the background of the terrarium and he surely seems more relaxed since that. Maybe the glass was messing with him.
    Now he burries a lot more, and he uses his hiding spots ( a half brick on one side, and a plant on the other, being the bowl on the middle, the ceramic light is to the right side where the plant is)
    I'm offering him food twice a day in tweezers, sometimes close to his mouth, sometimes touching it, sometimes i leave the cricket walking(without the hopping legs) in the terrarium for a bit and then take it out, and he doesn't want to eat, nothing works...
    He doesn't seem to have lost weight so far. But i'm worrying cause it's been a little while.
    He's a Cranwelli albino and he's my first frog(and first amphibian/reptile), can someone help me find out what am I doing wrong??
    I've read something about plastic containers and etc being better, should i put him in only water without substrate or something? Should i keep making him take the honey bath for some more days, since i've to touch him to put him in the bath i don't want to stress him out to much?? I did it yesterday and the day before, today i stopped since he has pooped, and it seems that the right side lump is gone... What should i do? The terrarium now is only visible in the front sliding doors, the background and top are a background plastic photo of plants and rocks(he seemed more happy when i put that in place to be frank, and he moved a lot more).
    I don't want Pixie(his/her name is Pixie) to die, please help me understand what is happening.

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    Sorry for the double post, PS: I even thought that he can be blind, but on a second thought he moves arround just fine to burrow himself or to hide in the plants, i dont know if this is plausible or not.

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    I read something online about how they don't eat anything after absorbing their tails because they're getting what they need from it. Maybe a more experienced keeper can verify this or not. Another reason could be the size of his enclosure. They can get stressed having so much open space around them, I've seen others on here recommend those little plastic critter containers for babies for this reason. You could try putting him in one of those with substrate, water, and a little foliage (real or fake) for him to hide in. Hopefully someone else can hop in and be more helpful than me, but I would try that and keep offering food for now. If he continues to refuse a few more weeks, you may want to consider taking him to a vet because I've read a lot of cases where frogs not eating have metabolic bone disease from not getting enough calcium.

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    Hi! Often the problem is just stress. Covering the back and sides is recommended, and you already took care of that. Having a smaller enclosure can help. Another user, Monster, has talked about using a divider in 10 gallon tanks to limit their space so that buying multiple enclosures is unnecessary, an idea I really liked. He could tell you more than I. Sometimes you can convince them them to eat by dragging the food across their toes, under their mouth. Often it takes some time for these frogs to relax and feel comfortable in a new enclosure, and at this point you may have to simply give the frog a little more time. You can try an electrolyte bath, but I'm not sure It's necessary yet(an electrolyte bath is a bath in treated warm 27-28c water mixed with unflavored Pedialyte at a ratio of 10 parts water 1 part Pedialyte.). Monster or another user may have more to add, as well.
    On another note, you will need calcium +Vitamin d3 powder. Calcium is necessary, but without vitamin d3 it isn't metabolized. I'll add anything else if I think if it. Good luck!
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    Thanks for the advice Bryce, i'll check to put some plywood walls inside the terrarium to make the space smaller, i'm going to get some nightcrawlers today to see if he eats them, and i'll get reptivite with D3 instead, i really hope he eats, cause it's been a while....
    About the pedialyte i'm not sure if i can find it in Europe, i'm going to check.
    Thank you so much and i'll keep you guys posted.

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    Okay, so went to the store here in Paris, so i've got reptivite with D3, a mini faunarium, either for crickets or to put the frog, don't know yet, and some European Nightcrawlers, i'll try again tonght and keep you updated, thanks.

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    Hi, if your going to divide the tank I would just use a fish tank divider or a piece of a plastic. Wood may mold due to the high humidity. For your humidity no 90% is not good, its to high and if kept like that the frog could get respiratory problems and with the heat and humidity being that high you could start to grow bacteria in your tank. Try to keep your humidity around 75%, this way when you mist it wont go a lot higher then 80% for to long. You could also let your heat go up to around 83F and this may help a little and let it drop down to around 78F to 77F at night. For the handling if you have been picking him up a lot like you mentioned this is stressing him out a lot, you have to try and leave him be. Stress is one of the number one killers in amphibians, it lowers there immune system and this causes them to get sick. When your feeding try to feed him at night about a half hour to an hour after his lights go out, this is when they eat in the wild. The temp drop and darkness triggers there feeding. For your lighting you say 9-11 hours, it cant vary like that he needs a constant 12 hours day and 12 hours night, if its not the same all the time it will confuse him and stress him out. I know that sounds crazy because its just a frog but they are like clock work, they need the same routine. If the humidity, heat and lighting aren't constantly the same or the heat and humidity are to high or to low it can cause them to estivate. And as a baby you don't want this to happen because he more then likely will not make it out of it, even with adults if things aren't done perfect before estivation it can kill them. The water even though its bottled I would add some reptisafe or a similar product just in case to remove anything that could be harm full to the frog, some bottled water contains fluoride and other things still even though its bottled. I noticed you said you covered the back with a back ground, maybe try covering the 2 sides also. Try these things and the things mentioned above and I'm sure your little guy should start to eat soon.

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