Western toad not moving well, tired, not eating

[daybr4ke]

Figured I'd add a second post with a few extra things.
First is a vitamin and calcium dusting schedule:
http://www.frogforum.net/showthread....ting-Schedules
Second, if the toads aren't eating, you may have to try force feeding the one(s) that won't eat but be careful, since this is VERY stressful for the frog/toad.
Again, good luck!

[elly]

For dusting I like to use a plastic cup with a lid and shake it to cover the insects with powder.

[bubbles2986]

Ok I have a 3 pics of the sick one with how his legs are limp, one of his normal home, and one pic with everyone else just cuz they are all cute playing in the water.

I gave him a honey bath just in case he was the one trying to pull something goopy out of his mouth the other day. It seemed to make him more active than i have seen him in days. He also crimple up a little, opened his mouth a bunch, & tried swallowing a bunch, he is rinsed off now sitting in a plastic dish with a little bit of water in it so he stays hydrated.

The pale where his arms and legs rub against his torso is gone also his belly skin looks plump again. It was a few days where he wasnt getting any pool time, I didnt think about it, I check on him twice a day but i didnt think he need a dip.

I moved around all my garden box and grabbed ants and little pill bugs just in case the crickets are a little to big for how his stomach feels.

I cant think of anything else at the moment Im tired and my brain hurts.

Thanks Everyone For all the pointers and help.

Fingers crossed that in the am he will eat some ants or pill bugs

[bubbles2986]

Looking at his skin in these pic on my screen he is actually less reddy/brown than normal

[daybr4ke]

Thanks for the update and pictures. If he's lost use of limbs he probably won't recover if it's Calcium Deficiency/MBD, as that would indicate it is in the fairly late stages. If the others are still eating, I'd start dusting regularly to prevent them from experiencing the same problem. The vomiting of red stuff is worrying. Definitely keep an eye out for more of that behavior, I'll look into that in the meantime.
When you get the chance, what do you usually feed them? The general rule of thumb is to feed them food around the size of the space between their eyes. They look pretty young, so they'd need small foods. Pinhead or 2nd molt crickets, I think.

[bubbles2986]

It seem so weird it come outta nowhere, it wasn't gradually moving weird one day fine next like he is in the pics.

As for food size the pet store i get them from sells them in containers sorted by age. I get the 3 week old cricket. I just looked at the space in between their eye and the crickets. Seems like a close match. There is always a few really big ones but i always put those in with my frog. I have on occasion found a cricket that looks spit out and seen one of the toads eat one then pull it out of its mouth and go on to a different cricket.

[bubbles2986]

I was able to gently open his mouth and get a small dusted pill bug inside but after he closed his mouth he stopped moving closed his eyes and went limp. I could still see his little heart moving his chest. I put him in some moist dirt and covered him with some moss but this morning he was dead.

Thanks for all the help everyone

[daybr4ke]

I'm really sorry to hear that. Assuming this was a case of MBD, the only thing you can do now is care for the other toads and make sure they get calcium+D3...I'm sorry for your loss.