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    Unhappy Geriatric Fire Belly - sick, or just old?

    Hi there,

    I've had a fire bellied toad (named Frügi) since I was in 4th grade. Considering I'm turning 30 next year, it's safe to say hat he's had a long life full of crickets, chirping, and floating around. He's always been healthy and active and had a good appetite, although from perusing these threads I am certain I've done a lot of things wrong as a result of assuming that the setup I started with at 10 years old was exactly as it should be. Poor guy.

    Anyway. Lately, even though he's got a great appetite and is very active, his limbs have gotten skinny. He seems to need more food than usual, and he hasn't shed in a long time. He's normally a brilliant green and gets a ruddy brownish green before he sheds - he's stayed dark for about a month and a half now, very unusual. His eyesight doesn't seem great, either - he sometimes misses a cricket that's right in front of him.

    Today I noticed some little white maggots or worms in his tank. I usually put a little bit of lettuce or broccoli in for the crickets, and it was near the broccoli, so it may have come from it. But maybe they were parasites? I'm not sure.

    Despite having had him for so long, he's never been ill before. I'm at a loss! Any recommendations on next steps or potential treatment would be a big help. I've been trying to find a vet in the area that treats frogs but I've had no luck. This might just be a sign he's reaching the end of his days, too - which would be terribly sad, but I get the idea that 20 is pretty old for this species, so maybe he's done well.

    I'm sorry in advance for my lack of knowledge.

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    Default Re: Geriatric Fire Belly - sick, or just old?

    Hello and welcome to frog forum!

    wow! That toad has lived quite a long life! Congrats!

    20 years is definitely a long time for these guys, so as you can expect, they're going to begin to detioriorate with age, just like we do.

    How big was the worm in relation to the toad? An infestation of worms at this age could do the toad in so it's best to tackle the problem head on. Pics would be great

    many species of frog will darken as they age, this may be the case with your frog. To try and get him to shed more easily, increase the humidity for about a week and see if anything changes

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    Hi! Thanks for the welcome.

    I didn't get a picture and cleaned the tank the moment I noticed the worms, but honestly, they were too tiny for any camera I have to focus on them. Maybe a quarter of the size of a grain of rice. I don't think the frog would even have been able to see them enough to eat them. Does that sound like a parasite?

    Thanks for the tip on shedding - it has been much drier than usual here this summer, so that may be wearing on him.

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    A small worm like that could definitely be a parasite. I would reccomend having a vet that deals with reptiles and amphibians do a stool test on him to rule out an infestation. If you have trouble finding a stool sample you could place him in a separate container with damp paper towel as substrate and a water dish and a place to hide for a few days so that it will be readily visible on the paper towel when he goes to the bathroom

    Litoria
    caerulea 1.1.0 (White's Tree Frog)
    Lampropeltis triangulum hondurensis ​0.1.0 (Anerythristic Honduran Milk Snake) Tliltocatl albopilosus 0.0.2 (Curly Hair Tarantula)
    Aphonopelma hentzi 0.0.1 (Texas Brown Tarantula)
    Avicularia avicularia 0.0.2 (Pinktoe Tarantula)
    Brachypelma smithi ex. annitha 0.0.1 (Mexican Giant Red Knee Tarantula) Monocentropus balfouri 0.0.2 (Socotra Island Blue Baboon Tarantula)
    Harpactira pulchripes
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    I've been struggling with finding one but I'll start calling around. Does anybody know of a vet in the Vancouver, Canada area who treats amphibians?

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    http://www.herpvetconnection.com/bc.shtml

    this link should present you with all reptile vets in British Columbia. Most reptile vets will also treat amphibians, but call ahead just to make sure. You can also use Herp Vet Connection to find a vet in Washington state or Alberta, if nothing works in BC

    Litoria
    caerulea 1.1.0 (White's Tree Frog)
    Lampropeltis triangulum hondurensis ​0.1.0 (Anerythristic Honduran Milk Snake) Tliltocatl albopilosus 0.0.2 (Curly Hair Tarantula)
    Aphonopelma hentzi 0.0.1 (Texas Brown Tarantula)
    Avicularia avicularia 0.0.2 (Pinktoe Tarantula)
    Brachypelma smithi ex. annitha 0.0.1 (Mexican Giant Red Knee Tarantula) Monocentropus balfouri 0.0.2 (Socotra Island Blue Baboon Tarantula)
    Harpactira pulchripes
    0.0.1 (Golden Blue Leg Baboon Tarantula)

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