Good feeders for toads and frogs? Superworms? Nightcrawlers?

[jasonm96]

Crickets won't die if you keep them around 25C, using a heat pad under there tank and feed them well.They are bad for escaping when young but they're fine as adults. I need to order my livefood online and it's better, it's packed fresh rather than sat on a shelve at a pet store with half of the insects being dead.

The problem with superworms is they are hard to digest and feeding them too often will cause impaction. They're not healthy either but can and should be gutloaded or dusted with calcium and vitamins to make up for it. Earthworms are better nutritionally without alteration, but you need a good few foods to make up a well rounded diet. I feed my animals crickets, locusts, roaches, superworms, waxworms, fuzzy mice and nightcrawlers. But other foods are fish (may be diseased or unbalanced nutritionally, so not the best), phoenix worms, fruit flies, bloodworms, woodlice, wax moths (pupated wax worms) and there's probably more. The pacman diet may work with other species, but it depends how tame they or the indivial frog is.

Pinkies should ideally prekilled from the supplier and not by yourself or fed alive; so all you need to do is put them in the freezer, thaw them out and dip in them calcium.

I really wouldn't recommend a Cane toad from past experience. There's a chance they'll be diseased or not adjust to captivity as they're often wild caught. They also need massive enclosures, at least 4ft long. If you do get one, go to store and inspect it before buying it. Ask the staff to offer it food. If it refuses the food, then this is a sign that it's diseased or heavily stressed (which then leads to disease). If it feeds that's a good sign that it may adjust to captivity but you're probably best taking it to a vet and getting it wormed anyway.

I've not kept pipa pipa, so I cant offer anything on that frog unfortunately.

[ToadStool]

Crickets won't die if you keep them around 25C, using a heat pad under there tank and feed them well.They are bad for escaping when young but they're fine as adults. I need to order my livefood online and it's better, it's packed fresh rather than sat on a shelve at a pet store with half of the insects being dead.

The problem with superworms is they are hard to digest and feeding them too often will cause impaction. They're not healthy either but can and should be gutloaded or dusted with calcium and vitamins to make up for it. Earthworms are better nutritionally without alteration, but you need a good few foods to make up a well rounded diet. I feed my animals crickets, locusts, roaches, superworms, waxworms, fuzzy mice and nightcrawlers. But other foods are fish (may be diseased or unbalanced nutritionally, so not the best), phoenix worms, fruit flies, bloodworms, woodlice, wax moths (pupated wax worms) and there's probably more. The pacman diet may work with other species, but it depends how tame they or the indivial frog is.

Pinkies should ideally prekilled from the supplier and not by yourself or fed alive; so all you need to do is put them in the freezer, thaw them out and dip in them calcium.

I really wouldn't recommend a Cane toad from past experience. There's a chance they'll be diseased or not adjust to captivity as they're often wild caught. They also need massive enclosures, at least 4ft long. If you do get one, go to store and inspect it before buying it. Ask the staff to offer it food. If it refuses the food, then this is a sign that it's diseased or heavily stressed (which then leads to disease). If it feeds that's a good sign that it may adjust to captivity but you're probably best taking it to a vet and getting it wormed anyway.

I've not kept pipa pipa, so I cant offer anything on that frog unfortunately.

Hmm I'll see what I can do. But no roaches, and I doubt I can find locusts anywhere. As for cane toads-- all toads seem to be wild caught. If I bought one I'd prefer it'd be captive bred as well. Because the last cane toad I bought died within the same day.It spewed out a white glob (a big glob) and died on the spot-- I watched it die.


Id take it to a vet, but I don't think there are vets that actually would treat a cane toad... So I was going to try to dose it for parasites myself-- but it was too late when I got it.

It was shy as heck though. In Puerto Rico we have them there and they're not shy at all.

I'll look for other feeders as well - but I'd rather not have more than 1-2 dozen crickets in my house at a time. Should they escape it'd be annoying. also about adult crickets mellowing out-- that's not what happened with me. Everytime I ordered crickets they were adults (at one point I ordered younger ones too) and they all gave me problems escaping and dying.

I guess ill try online. Id say if not a cane toad, maybe a rococo toad-- but I can't ever seem to find one for sale. I'd be luckier trying my luck with a colorado river toad. Too bad they don't like forest setups as I'd prefer a forest set up over a plains setup.


By the way, I wouldn't buy pets from a petstore. I've had my fill of their screw ups and lies. They just dont care about their stock, and they lie about everything or dont know what they're talking about and lie to get me to buy it and stop talking to them.

[jasonm96]

They look bold in the wild and can be in captivity, but the stress of being confined and taken from the wild can sometimes be too much. I'd never buy a WC again, just not worth it. Pacmans are probably your best bet. Youre best raising them to start with on crickets, then move up to superworms, earthworms and pink
mice. As adults you only need to feed them once a week or less, so you can rotate with different foods, so you don't always have to keep crickets and roaches in your house, just once a month or so then.

[ToadStool]

They look bold in the wild and can be in captivity, but the stress of being confined and taken from the wild can sometimes be too much. I'd never buy a WC again, just not worth it. Pacmans are probably your best bet. Youre best raising them to start with on crickets, then move up to superworms, earthworms and pink
mice. As adults you only need to feed them once a week or less, so you can rotate with different foods, so you don't always have to keep crickets and roaches in your house, just once a month or so then.

So if people want them as pets.. why don't they just take the eggs, raise them in captivity and then breed them in captivity? Why don't they breed toads in captivity the same way they breed frogs?

By the way, why is the forum sort of dead? Also, are there toads that have been sold accurately as captive bred? I'd personally like to start captive breeding toads-- but I sadly don't have the facilities for it or the money for such a large operation.

I just think it would be a good idea, especially if they can make it to have color morphs. lol Could you imagine toad color morphs? Albinos, Black with white underbelly, completely black (like a lump of coal), green, reds, yellow. Etc. I dont know how color morphs go about, but it sounds like an interesting business.

Futhermore how much do fecal exams, and treatment would cost for toads? My dog got a fecal done and it was 15-20bucks for it.

[jasonm96]

cane toads are largely invasive, so collecting them is probably better than breeding more, as there's enough already and not everyone probably fancies them, more of an acquired taste. They also produce very large quantities of offspring, so there would have to be a large market for cane toads. The usual captive bred animals like pacmans, red eyes, whites tree frogs, dart frogs, are pretty and colourful, so attractive to most people and dominate the market. A few toads are bred in captivity, such as yellow spotted climbing toads, bumblebee walking toads, fire bellied toads, etc. You even get albino and blue fire bellied toad morphs, but yes I'd like to see a bright red or blue or multicoloured cane toad - that would be awesome. I guess the rococo toads are that, with some colours but still dull in appearance. Most likely any toad sold under captive bred probably is and has came from one of the several large breeding facilities in a country. Fecal cost depends, i paid £50 for mine and then £10 for meds. I haven't owned a dog myself so can't compare the bills, it's probably not much different, though.

[ToadStool]

cane toads are largely invasive, so collecting them is probably better than breeding more, as there's enough already and not everyone probably fancies them, more of an acquired taste. They also produce very large quantities of offspring, so there would have to be a large market for cane toads. The usual captive bred animals like pacmans, red eyes, whites tree frogs, dart frogs, are pretty and colourful, so attractive to most people and dominate the market. A few toads are bred in captivity, such as yellow spotted climbing toads, bumblebee walking toads, fire bellied toads, etc. You even get albino and blue fire bellied toad morphs, but yes I'd like to see a bright red or blue or multicoloured cane toad - that would be awesome. I guess the rococo toads are that, with some colours but still dull in appearance. Most likely any toad sold under captive bred probably is and has came from one of the several large breeding facilities in a country. Fecal cost depends, i paid £50 for mine and then £10 for meds. I haven't owned a dog myself so can't compare the bills, it's probably not much different, though.

Well of course they're invasive, and they produce a large mass of offspring.. but one could cull the eggs to leave about less than 1/4 (I think they produce thousands- so a few hundreds is okay). I wonder if there's a way to selective breed them to the point they come in other colors, or if they can do that thing that messes with the eggs... Probably would upset PETA people-- but I never really cared for PETA or what they thought... considering they like to go extreme.

I just think they should grab suriname cane toads, and then breed those in captivity and reproduce the conditions in suriname.

The only problem I have with cane toads is they're deadly. If -SOMEHOW- the cage broke or it got lose and my dog (Which it would) decided to make the toad a chew toy..... She would die within seconds-- especially as she's a chihuahua mix and only weighs 12 pounds. Rococo toads are a different species of toad. They're not cane toads. They have four paratoid glands. I dont like the toads they breed. I also like the brown colors of the cane toads.


You really gotta admire cane toads. They're almost as bad as cockroaches in the terms of doing anything to survive, strong to survive.