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    Exclamation Blind or Partially Blind Gulf Coast Toad Care?

    I call the toad 'he' for ease purposes, but it may be a girl.


    We have many toads that call the hole under our rain barrel 'home'. Mainly we have one big one that hides under the barrel during the day and comes to the porch to look for bugs at night, but in the late summer I noticed a smaller one that hung around for a couple of days. One of his eyes was always a bit different looking than the other, but I never really thought anything of it. He disappeared for a while, but a couple of days ago I found him by the rain barrel again.


    Every toad that I've seen by the rain barrel has accepted moths and such if I waved them in front of their face using a pine needle. In fact, I fed the big one and a young toad some moths a maybe five days ago and they ate them in the blink of an eye. This one wouldn't touch the moth or the cricket that I offered.


    The next day he was hanging in kind of a weird spot by the rain barrel. I noticed that he was really thin. He still wouldn't eat. I brought him inside to examine him. One eye is a weird black and blue color with a milky white area in the center, and the other will not open fully. I am 99% sure he is blind in at least one eye. He does not respond to movement in that black and blue eye. The other only opens around 75% of the way.


    My parents brought me to get some food for him at the pet store since I still couldn't get him to eat. I got some little red wiggler worms and some crickets, and I did as much research on the internet as I could on what to do if a toad is thin and wouldn't try to eat. I decided the best course of action would be to open up his mouth and put a little worm in. His mouth looks 100% normal inside, fortunately, and he swallowed the worm once it was in his mouth. I have experience with feeding sick reptiles in this manner, so no issues with opening the mouth.


    I hope to be able to put him back by the rain barrel and release him if he gets better, but if he is blind and can't hunt in the wild, does anyone know an easier way to get him to eat versus opening his mouth and putting the food in..? I don't think it would be good for me to do this every day for him.




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    - Temporary enclosure is a Tupperware bin that is around the size of a 10 gallon tank, but I will upgrade him to a bigger home if he is to stay for any extended period of time. The top of the current enclosure is a typical metal wire top for reptile enclosures that I had lying around.


    - Bedding is the coconut substrate that I believe is called 'Eco Earth' or something like that. I also have a little sphagnum moss for him to burrow under.


    - 'Decor' is an overturned clay terracotta pot for him to hide inside.


    - He has a place to submerge himself in de-chlorinated water.


    - He has a UVB/UVA bulb as well as a low-power heat lamp (it's pretty warm in my room, so I don't need anything drastic for heat).


    -Yes, I keep up humidity for him.




    Adding on:

    Yesterday he ate one worm. Today I gave him two pre-killed crickets. Both times I had to force feed.
    I tried every method I know of before force feeding today. I let the cricket crawl in front of his face a couple of times, I dangled it in front of his face with tweezers, a pine needle, and a small string, I tried wetting it and pressing it against his mouth...no luck. Even a worm got no response.

    I gave him a long soak in warm, de-chlorinated sugar water today to make sure he didn't have to poop or anything. No poops.


    Does anyone have any advice/suggestions for me? Should I buy him a supplement of some sort? (Any recommended ones for thin toads..?)


    Thank you.

    (I can try to get some pictures of his eyes if people need them.)

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    Default Re: Blind or Partially Blind Gulf Coast Toad Care?

    Poor guy! I would try tapping his nose with the food on a blunt tweezers a bit, even alive and wiggling a little. Usually that will trigger a bite instinct. If that doesn't, force feeding is about all you can do right now. You may want to try hydrating him with a pedialyte/water mixture. Use a multivitamin dust and also a Calcium dust (I use calcium 3-4 days a week and multivitamin 1-2 days a week). I would say that pieces of night crawlers are the best thing you could give him right now. They are soft, digestible, and high in nutrients. If you want to fatten him up a bit, you could use wax worms but those are pretty deplete of nutrients so it really isn't the best. There is a possibility that he has a disease causing the issues, so make sure you keep him and his equipment separate from everything else.
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    Default Re: Blind or Partially Blind Gulf Coast Toad Care?

    Thank you! I will see if we can go get some night crawlers. I saw them at the store but I thought that they were too big. I guess I'll have to chop them up. I did try pressing it against his mouth. Worms and crickets. He lowers his head and closes his eyes.
    I am watching my friend's turtle, so I have some calcium supplements for reptiles and amphibians. I will have to look for multi-vitamins. Can human multi-vitamins be used, possibly? I know we have some of the human kind.

    The pedialyte, it should be flavorless, yes? Do I give it to him in syringe through the mouth, or just let him soak in it? We are going to the grocery today, so I'll keep an eye out for that.

    Fortunately, aside from an ADF in my 5 gallon tank, I have no other amphibians, and I always wash my hands and use hand sanitizer when I feed or touch the toad.

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    Default Re: Blind or Partially Blind Gulf Coast Toad Care?

    Hi, i dont think human vitamins would be safe for your frog to consume, Rep-Cal makes a pretty good multivitamin. For the pedialyte you want him to soak in it, you want to make it at 1;10 ratio. So for every ten oz's of water add 1 oz of pedialyte, and ya you want it to be flavorless.

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    Default Re: Blind or Partially Blind Gulf Coast Toad Care?

    Okay, thanks. We got the clear, flavorless pedialyte today. I'm about to feed him and soak him now.

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    Default Re: Blind or Partially Blind Gulf Coast Toad Care?

    I fed him a cricket coated with calcium powder and soaked him for one hour, then rinsed the pedialyte off of him.

    Should I continue with this pedialyte/water soaking daily? Weekly? I'll try to get some pictures of him soon. My computer's photo storage isn't working, but I can save some from my phone tomorrow I hope.

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    Default Re: Blind or Partially Blind Gulf Coast Toad Care?

    Hi! Sounds like you're doing great so far. For right now try doing it twice a week, so that it doesn't stress him out and that the afflicted eyes may have a chance to heal. If he is truly blind, they you will have to keep him, as it will be impossible for him to survive in the wild without his main detection sense. Also you won't be able to upload photos directly to frog forum, as it was hacked a while ago and we lost the ability to like posts and to upload photos directly to the site. Try using imgur or photobucket to upload the photos and then linking said photos here

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    Default Re: Blind or Partially Blind Gulf Coast Toad Care?

    Thank you. Here are the pictures of him.

    Good eye.


    Bad eye.


    Hands



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    Is there any way to tell what gender it is? Also, I have IDed him/her properly as a Gulf Coast Toad, correct? As for his 'good' eye, does anyone know why it won't open all the way?



    I named it Budge. I fed it two worms today. One with calcium and one without. He/she is making progress. I put the worm just a bit in its mouth and it swallowed it by forcing it into its mouth with its hands.

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    I am not familiar with this species of toad, but usually the best way to ID is whether or not they call. Your guy is teeny yet though, so that might take some time. It looks like it suffered some sort of injury and neither of the eyes are functioning properly. I am not sure what would have caused it though It is good to see him getting excited about food. I think he should be happy living indoors with someone to feed him
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    I haven't heard him/her call. Have had a few other toads from the barrel call before when I pick them up, though. Sounds kind of like someone saying 'upupupup' a bunch of times...I honestly don't know how else to describe it. lol

    I'm glad that he's excited about the food, too. I hope that the second eye functions enough for him to not have to be force fed at some point. It seems like he responds to light in the good eye.

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    That's a good sign. He may be a little off on depth perception, but if one eye works he should be able to function.

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    That's good. I do really hope that he'll be well enough off to hunt in the wild with a couple of human given supplements at some point, or hopefully he'll eat without force feeding. I can't imagine that it's all that pleasurable to the little guy to be force fed.
    Maybe I can made him a little pen outside or something so I can make sure that he doesn't stray too far away in the yard.
    Maybe he can become the new 'porch toad'. The last porch toad was fat and happy because I got her cricket treats a couple times a week, as well as the occasional moth or leaf-hopper. And we have a bunch of hiding places near the porch, as well as a source of water/dampness. I think he'd like it there once it warms up. Might be worth a shot if he'll eat by himself. Our last porch toad was a big female gulf coast toad.


    I fed him three small crickets today. I think that he likes the worms better.

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    Hi!

    Any news on the litte guy? Did he make it? <3

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