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    After reading this thread (http://www.frogforum.net/showthread.php?t=251), a bit worried about this: Plastic plants and sterile housing encourages people to close off ventilation and constantly spray the enclosure to keep up the humidity, the resulting large amounts of sitting water encourages bacteria to grow and bacteria kills frogs. There should not be streaming condensation on the walls of the enclosure, good ventilation is required and if anything err on the side of dryer rather than wetter if in doubt.
    I've seen condensation on the glass. The plants are plastic. The ground is wetted substrate without a "drainage layer." One of the screens up top is exposed, the other has the canopy top light. I open the doors for several minutes every day. Should I keep a fan on inside my room?

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    Your set up looks OK (i.e. nothing about it that is going to kill your frog) and ventilation should be fine as it currently stands. Some condensation sometimes is fine (like after spraying), you want to avoid stagnant air and a constantly wet environment. You will never see him move when the light is on, they are only active by night but then he should be moving around, using the water bowl and feeding. Hard to say if there is a pre-existing issue, but from the photo at least he doesn't look too bad. They do suffer with stress and need to left completely alone to acclimate after moving, you could try giving him a little more time with the cage screened off and in a very quiet place to see if things improve? You need to be certain about the temperature too if you can..
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    Default Re: Worried, New RETF Owner. Lethargic. Stationary in Feeder Bowl.

    So, literally block off the sides so no outside light? He's in a quiet place but I do check on him and turn the lights on to do so every few hours. Just to be sure. I can try a full night with it off.

    I have an analog and a digital thermometer, and both read differently. Within 5* or so. The hygrometer has a bigger difference, the digital fluctuates more.


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    They do suffer with stress and need to left completely alone to acclimate after moving, you could try giving him a little more time with the cage screened off and in a very quiet place to see if things improve? You need to be certain about the temperature too if you can..

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    Still in the same spot, inside the feeder bowl. He pooped once. There are two crickets in the bowl and they seem to be all over him. No reaction. No trip to the water dish. No movements. Still alive. Any thoughts?

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    Yes, block off so he can't see out and so light can't get in. Obviously maintain a normal day/night cycle of light/dark. If the crickets are crawling over him it will add to the stress, I'd relocate him to a leaf and leave the crickets in the bowl. They are much happier on real plants so could be a good time to introduce one. That's about as much as you can do to alleviate new environment stress, but it does sound like this has been going on too long. Can you take a photo to see how he's looking?
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    Default Re: Worried, New RETF Owner. Lethargic. Stationary in Feeder Bowl.

    It looks like you're doing things right. The tank might be a little small, but that shouldn't cause these kinds of problems.
    Does petland actually put calcium powder on its crickets? I don't think many petshops do that. But maybe the vitamin powder you've started putting on the crickets has calcium in it.
    So, either I'd say he's been stressed and covering the tank/ reducing noise/ keeping the lights off all night might help or else he was sick when you got him.

    If it is actually sickness and not just stress I'd be concerned about
    1: calcium deficiency- not moving or climbing can be a symptom.
    2: some unknown virus
    3: fungal infection- but that's usually accompanied by sitting in the water dish all the time, so it's not likely here. Just watch for uneven shedding of skin, patches of skin.

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    Default Re: Worried, New RETF Owner. Lethargic. Stationary in Feeder Bowl.

    Is it a baby or juvenile? A 10 gallon vertical is waaaaay too small for adult red-eyes. 18 x 18 x 24" minimum.

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    Quote Originally Posted by palale View Post
    After reading this thread (http://www.frogforum.net/showthread.php?t=251), a bit worried about this: Plastic plants and sterile housing encourages people to close off ventilation and constantly spray the enclosure to keep up the humidity, the resulting large amounts of sitting water encourages bacteria to grow and bacteria kills frogs. There should not be streaming condensation on the walls of the enclosure, good ventilation is required and if anything err on the side of dryer rather than wetter if in doubt.
    I've seen condensation on the glass. The plants are plastic. The ground is wetted substrate without a "drainage layer." One of the screens up top is exposed, the other has the canopy top light. I open the doors for several minutes every day. Should I keep a fan on inside my room?
    i wish i'd seen this yesterday. my little felipe might still be with me if i had. i feel so stupid.

    i made a grievous error today that would've been avoided had i come across this comment 14 hours ago.

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    Quote Originally Posted by areles View Post
    i wish i'd seen this yesterday. my little felipe might still be with me if i had. i feel so stupid.

    i made a grievous error today that would've been avoided had i come across this comment 14 hours ago.
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