Rescued a sick FBT, won't eat. Any help would be great!

[leo]

Finally someone reads what I said.

Thank you, Jason for your input. All in all I've spent about $200 getting all I need to give him a good home, which puts a dent in my tuition that I didn't want, but it's not about the money, it's about the life. Having said that, I can't justify getting a light at this point for a $5 frog. I know it sounds ****ty to say, but that's the reality of being broke.

I am looking to get a 60 gallon with a cabinet so I can try a fully planted terrarium style thing. If I happen to get that I will also get what I need to make sure he's as ideal as possible, but I also have 7 other herps that need my money. Thanks for the suggestion, I'll keep it in mind.

[privet01]

Although now that I've looked into it further, it seems that the UV bulbs that are being sold for herps and reptiles have come down in price dramatically since I looked at them last year. But still in a small viv, I'd just use a one light system with a tube that also puts out UV. GE doesn't make it easy to find the info for the light spectrums, but they do publish it. Both the wavelength and strength.

The FBT's can't read the charts from zoo-med, but I'm sure they can figure out how long they want to bask and how close to the light they want to get. We just need to give them the means to do it.

[jasonm96]

We need to provide the right levels of UVB in the first place, though so they can use it properly. Too high or too low is no good. A simple reptisun 5.0 or UVB100 compact would be fine on a 10 gallon

[leo]

Kay. You must be Jesus, preaching to everyone. Bye!

[jasonm96]

Y'know what, I can't deal with people like you. Claiming you rescued the toad but you can't justify paying for the necessities because the toad is cheap. If you're looking for advice, I can give it to you but if you want someone to tell you what you wanna hear maybe a forum isn't for you

[privet01]

I had a neighbor that believed anyone that didn't brush the dogs teeth regularly was abusing the animal and should be put in jail. Thankfully I didn't own a dog.

As for what you've provided for the frog, I think it's more than adequate. Jason's got some good points, but as you already are doing just use what you know and consider the advice of others. And always work within your budget.

[leo]

Y'know what, I can't deal with people like you. Claiming you rescued the toad but you can't justify paying for the necessities because the toad is cheap. If you're looking for advice, I can give it to you but if you want someone to tell you what you wanna hear maybe a forum isn't for you

I can't stand people like you, probably buy everything with mummy's credit card. The conditions he was in is deplorable and he's lucky I was the one who found and rescued him. Just because you can go and spend all your money on things you really don't need (we can be honest, none of us particularly require herps and pets for bare subsistence) doesn't mean other people can. Many frogs do fine without UVB as I've read and others have suggested. I'm sorry Jason, I can't make $30 appear in my wallet when I have literally nothing left. Please oh merciful lord forgive me for my animal cruelty.

Privet, and Jason to a lesser extent, thank you both for your advice, you've helped me make his life way better than it was and he is eating regularly now and has a fat belly. Makes me happy .

Jason, when giving advice being condescending and not realizing that others situation isn't the same as you defeats the point of giving advice. Maybe you can take that to heart before suggesting that someone, who rescued an animal and spent all of his spare money for the month to give it a good home, should go without a roof and heat for a few months because he needs to give his pet an overpriced and branded light fixture.

Thank you both once again.

[jasonm96]

No, I do not use mummy's credit card and I work hard for my money. If I decide to take on animals I then decide to take on the responsibility to provide the best captive environment I or anyone can provide. Although I have a life, so do they and I wish for it to be as comfortable as they can have. Truth is, I have a disability and because of this have a job that just barely pays the bills and yet I put my animals first. I can understand you're in a bad situation but I don't think that's a valid excuse for your attitude. I must admit, I may come off wrong but I only try to help you and espeically the animals. There has been studies on bombina orientalis that has showed they DO benefit from UVB and most reptile product or lighting brands now recommend it. Also reptile bulbs are tweaked to provide the right UVB and uv Ray's in general and are especially designed for them, where as hardware bulbs may not provide this and potentionally be dangerous. Many amphibians do require UVB such as whites, monkey tree frogs and leopard frogs to name a few and may suffer the consequences without it. I did not claim you were abusing your animals but the way you bring the retail price of an animal into it shocks me. I hope you get in a better financial point and that you're toad enjoys a long, happy life. I wish we could have been on better terms but honestly, I was just trying to use the information I have learned to help you provide the best care possible.

[jasonm96]

I never said anything needed a basking light (though the toads would enjoy it) I said they are known to bask in the wild, meaning they would receive UVB from the sun, like they would with a UVB bulb. I know they aren't tropical animals, I keep mine at a steady 75F just now. Hmm, I just wouldn't chance it, I'd rather pay £10-£20 more on a bulb and know it's the right one.

If you decide to take on an animal, look up the latest care from good sources and get the equipment needed before getting the animal or be prepared to pay additional costs and be in an awkward situation but I've found a lot of it to be trial and errors along the way. I'm guilty of underestimating how much frogs would cost to keep when I first started out but I paid the cost and I've spent a lot of money on my frogs and I ain't well off. I understand you're in a bad situation but I don't understand how you can bring the price of the animal into the situation. You can keep them without UVB, it's been done but it's been proven that it benefits them and all diurnal animals share a relationship with the sun. Ideally, I'd recommend when you have the money just get a cheap light dome and 5% uvb, in the mean time make sure dust with calcium with D3