Looking for new frog/frogs

[Frogger27]

I just built a taller vivarium (not quite sure the dimensions) and i am looking for a frogs for it. They need to be smaller becuase the tank isnt that big (i will post a pic if i can). So what should i get, i dont really want dart frogs, i want a tree frog species. Any help welcome.

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[Larry Wardog]

Maybe an American Green Tree Frog?


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[Frogger27]

Maybe an American Green Tree Frog?


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I thought about them, are they bokd i want to be able to see them

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[elly]

Most tree frog species are nocturnal so they won't be around much in the day.

[123nave]

Arrow frogs all the way!

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[Reedfrog]

maybe a gray tree frog? I hve 1 and they are great eaters and are real fighters

[Dace]

Definitely do a gray tree frog if you want a frog you can see. They're always sleeping out in the open during the day, mine never hide. However you might want to consider making the lights brighter, increasing ventilation if its really moisdt in there and adding large horizontal perches- it will improve their coloration and they seem to enjoy 'basking'.

[jasonm96]

Nice set up but what size is the tank? It kinda looks maybe in the 10gal range by the pic. I wouldn't put tree frogs in anything smaller than 20gals or you'll here them bashing off the sides at night. I think with that tanks probably more suited to thumbnail darts.

[Dace]

A gray is fine in a 10 gallon.

[jasonm96]

Even though they're small, gray tree frogs as I'm sure you know jump long distances and are very active at night. They will be very limited in a 10-gallon, sure you can keep one in there but for a little bit of extra money you can make the life of the animal so much better. Some books I've read have recommended a 10-gallon, whereas others it's been at least 20-gallons. I keep 2 green tree frogs in a 20-gallon and I wouldn't put them in anything smaller but it will come down to the keeper in the end.

[Dace]

What I do is leave open space for jumping in the middle of the tank, and wedge a bunch of horizontal branches at the very top and put lots of structure in the bottom. They sleep on the branches during the day and come down to the floor at night. The only time they jump around like you said is when they're stressed out, like right after I move their vivarium. If a 20 gallon is big enough for a whites tree frog, why wouldn't a 10 gallon be more than enough for a gray?

[jasonm96]

A 20 gal is the minimum for a White's tree frog and most recommend a 29 gal (18x18x24). Size of the frog doesn't matter much, it's they're just really active frogs and when they do decide to jump about, which treefrogs love to do, they should have the space to do so. I have a an 12x12x18" exo terra gathering dust but opinions vary on the size of tank, as it does with everything on frog husbandry but I personally wouldn't use anything less than an 18x18x18 tank for adults, which is like £20 or something more than the 10G.

[irThumper]

Marbled tree frogs (aka South American Bird Poop Frogs) Hyla marmorata

[123nave]

Red eye tree frogs are pretty but I don't know if that setup would work.

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[Larry Wardog]

What I do is leave open space for jumping in the middle of the tank, and wedge a bunch of horizontal branches at the very top and put lots of structure in the bottom. They sleep on the branches during the day and come down to the floor at night. The only time they jump around like you said is when they're stressed out, like right after I move their vivarium. If a 20 gallon is big enough for a whites tree frog, why wouldn't a 10 gallon be more than enough for a gray?

The more I observe the pair of WTF the more I think that for them to be at least content is a 40 gallon. I have them in a 30 and had them in a 18x18x24 and they just seem a little cramped. A 40 gallon is enough floor space and height. These frogs will use the whole tank, they are not always up on top of plants. Mine come down to the water at least half the night. When I am recommending to people about a WTF I am going to say at least a 40. They get 4-5 inches which would mean they would be miserable in a 20 gallon. I'm not trying to downplay anybody who keeps them, I'm just sharing my opinion. If it's a 20 gallon maybe a terrestrial species would work.


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[Dace]

The more I observe the pair of WTF the more I think that for them to be at least content is a 40 gallon. I have them in a 30 and had them in a 18x18x24 and they just seem a little cramped. A 40 gallon is enough floor space and height. These frogs will use the whole tank, they are not always up on top of plants. Mine come down to the water at least half the night. When I am recommending to people about a WTF I am going to say at least a 40. They get 4-5 inches which would mean they would be miserable in a 20 gallon. I'm not trying to downplay anybody who keeps them, I'm just sharing my opinion. If it's a 20 gallon maybe a terrestrial species would work.


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I don't keep whites, that's just what it says on the care sheet. Although I'm not sure how a frog indicates that it's cramped or miserable other than climbing around trying to escape.

[jasonm96]

So many care sheets I've read suggest the very minimum size of tank for any animal. When buying larger tanks than suggested, you're actually doing yourself a favour as well as the animal, as the substrate doesn't spoil so quickly and as a result, a complete tank clean out doesn't have to be so frequent. An animal could show stress with irregular activity for the animal, snout abrasions, going off food, decline in health, etc.

[Dace]

So many care sheets I've read suggest the very minimum size of tank for any animal. When buying larger tanks than suggested, you're actually doing yourself a favour as well as the animal, as the substrate doesn't spoil so quickly and as a result, a complete tank clean out doesn't have to be so frequent. An animal could show stress with irregular activity for the animal, snout abrasions, going off food, decline in health, etc.

Are irregular activity and snout abrasions not the same thing as trying to escape and decline in health and appetite just a given?

[jasonm96]

Not exactly cause irregular activity could be a species that's normally active being sluggish, not necessarily trying to escape. A decline in health from stress (which is shown with irregular activity or going off food) and effects the immune system and can lead to disease, which then would be another sign as it might get water faeces or spend a lot of time in the water.

[LilyPad]

As a grey owner, I would not recommend a 10 gallon for anything other than a hospital tank. As Jason said, there are other signs than just trying to escape. I started with my first grey in a 10 gallon, I recognized quickly that it wasn't enough space. These frogs are very active at night and need space to move and exercise. When I had one housed alone, I had him in a 20g high.