Looking for new frog/frogs

[jasonm96]

Not exactly cause irregular activity could be a species that's normally active being sluggish, not necessarily trying to escape. A decline in health from stress (which is shown with irregular activity or going off food) and effects the immune system and can lead to disease, which then would be another sign as it might get water faeces or spend a lot of time in the water.

[LilyPad]

As a grey owner, I would not recommend a 10 gallon for anything other than a hospital tank. As Jason said, there are other signs than just trying to escape. I started with my first grey in a 10 gallon, I recognized quickly that it wasn't enough space. These frogs are very active at night and need space to move and exercise. When I had one housed alone, I had him in a 20g high.

[Dace]

I'll bet that if you had a 75 lying around for the 1 frog instead of a 20 high the absolute minimum would magically become 75... Seriously though what other signs? Has anyone actually experienced them fist hand? What brought about this sudden change in gray's housing requirements... I mean you can argue all you want but the frogs don't care anymore now than they did before...

[jasonm96]

It's no sudden change but an opinion from different people and you're going to get that on a frog forum. I've read different tank sizes for loads of species vary in different books. Anyway, change in the hobby is such an important thing that shouldn't be ignored, that just because an animal has lived does not mean it's care can't be better.

[Dace]

Well said

[Larry Wardog]

I'll bet that if you had a 75 lying around for the 1 frog instead of a 20 high the absolute minimum would magically become 75... Seriously though what other signs? Has anyone actually experienced them fist hand? What brought about this sudden change in gray's housing requirements... I mean you can argue all you want but the frogs don't care anymore now than they did before...

Not if but when I have a 75 Laying around it will be the standard size for my Whites. It like moving into a house, would you want a big house or a small house and money is not an option? most people would want the big house if they can get it. You have to understand that these are not animals like dogs or birds that are domesticated. They need a close replica of their natural environment to survive. They don't operate 2 feet of space in the wild, they cover miles. It's my opinion that they should be in a 40 gallon at least. I have no scientific proof but I have owned one for over a year and a half. It has been in 3 enclosures and as the enclosures got bigger it started growing faster and exploring along with hunting. What it would do in the wild. You can use what you want, I'm just sharing what I have observed.


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[Dace]

I was actually replying to someone else and it was concerning gray tree frogs.
seriously though, if you gave a dog it's own 7 acre field to run around in whenever it wants and a swimming pool, you'd probably see the dog using them all the time and it would definitely appreciate it. That doesn't mean a dog needs a giant field and swimming pool to be happy and healthy.
I would have to disagree that tree frogs (is can't speak for white's of course, but local species at least) have home ranges "covering miles." I have seen the same spring peepers return to the same exact spot on a window night after night for months, coming back every year, and know people who have grays do the same thing, even sleeping in the exact same spot week after week and making a short evening commute to the porch light. I have a toad in the yard who lives in the same rock pile and calls in the same puddle of water that forms every year. Even in the confines of a vivarium tree frogs tend to sleep in the same spot. Just because animals are wild and undomesticated doesn't mean they live a nomadic lifestyle that requires huge amounts space.

[Larry Wardog]

I was actually replying to someone else and it was concerning gray tree frogs.
seriously though, if you gave a dog it's own 7 acre field to run around in whenever it wants and a swimming pool, you'd probably see the dog using them all the time and it would definitely appreciate it. That doesn't mean a dog needs a giant field and swimming pool to be happy and healthy.
I would have to disagree that tree frogs (is can't speak for white's of course, but local species at least) have home ranges "covering miles." I have seen the same spring peepers return to the same exact spot on a window night after night for months, coming back every year, and know people who have grays do the same thing, even sleeping in the exact same spot week after week and making a short evening commute to the porch light. I have a toad in the yard who lives in the same rock pile and calls in the same puddle of water that forms every year. Even in the confines of a vivarium tree frogs tend to sleep in the same spot. Just because animals are wild and undomesticated doesn't mean they live a nomadic lifestyle that requires huge amounts space.

Where are your sources to show Frogs and Toads do not travel?
Also where are your sources that recommends size of enclosure doesn't matter?


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[Dace]

Where are your sources that they do travel?

i've never seen a study concerning the movements of frogs and toads except during breeding migrations. Those were personal observations, along with other observations from other people and a few books.

I'm not saying enclosure size doesn't matter, I'm just saying that I (and many other people) have kept adult grays in ten gallon vivariums with virtually no problems. If you want to project yourself onto a frog (which is, frankly, an unintelligent and extremely apathetic animal) and give it a super sized enclosure so it will be "happier", go ahead but don't try to discourage other people from keeping them by pushing your unfounded opinion.