Looking for new frog/frogs

[Dace]

The more I observe the pair of WTF the more I think that for them to be at least content is a 40 gallon. I have them in a 30 and had them in a 18x18x24 and they just seem a little cramped. A 40 gallon is enough floor space and height. These frogs will use the whole tank, they are not always up on top of plants. Mine come down to the water at least half the night. When I am recommending to people about a WTF I am going to say at least a 40. They get 4-5 inches which would mean they would be miserable in a 20 gallon. I'm not trying to downplay anybody who keeps them, I'm just sharing my opinion. If it's a 20 gallon maybe a terrestrial species would work.


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I don't keep whites, that's just what it says on the care sheet. Although I'm not sure how a frog indicates that it's cramped or miserable other than climbing around trying to escape.

[jasonm96]

So many care sheets I've read suggest the very minimum size of tank for any animal. When buying larger tanks than suggested, you're actually doing yourself a favour as well as the animal, as the substrate doesn't spoil so quickly and as a result, a complete tank clean out doesn't have to be so frequent. An animal could show stress with irregular activity for the animal, snout abrasions, going off food, decline in health, etc.

[Dace]

So many care sheets I've read suggest the very minimum size of tank for any animal. When buying larger tanks than suggested, you're actually doing yourself a favour as well as the animal, as the substrate doesn't spoil so quickly and as a result, a complete tank clean out doesn't have to be so frequent. An animal could show stress with irregular activity for the animal, snout abrasions, going off food, decline in health, etc.

Are irregular activity and snout abrasions not the same thing as trying to escape and decline in health and appetite just a given?

[jasonm96]

Not exactly cause irregular activity could be a species that's normally active being sluggish, not necessarily trying to escape. A decline in health from stress (which is shown with irregular activity or going off food) and effects the immune system and can lead to disease, which then would be another sign as it might get water faeces or spend a lot of time in the water.

[LilyPad]

As a grey owner, I would not recommend a 10 gallon for anything other than a hospital tank. As Jason said, there are other signs than just trying to escape. I started with my first grey in a 10 gallon, I recognized quickly that it wasn't enough space. These frogs are very active at night and need space to move and exercise. When I had one housed alone, I had him in a 20g high.

[Dace]

I'll bet that if you had a 75 lying around for the 1 frog instead of a 20 high the absolute minimum would magically become 75... Seriously though what other signs? Has anyone actually experienced them fist hand? What brought about this sudden change in gray's housing requirements... I mean you can argue all you want but the frogs don't care anymore now than they did before...

[jasonm96]

It's no sudden change but an opinion from different people and you're going to get that on a frog forum. I've read different tank sizes for loads of species vary in different books. Anyway, change in the hobby is such an important thing that shouldn't be ignored, that just because an animal has lived does not mean it's care can't be better.

[Larry Wardog]

I'll bet that if you had a 75 lying around for the 1 frog instead of a 20 high the absolute minimum would magically become 75... Seriously though what other signs? Has anyone actually experienced them fist hand? What brought about this sudden change in gray's housing requirements... I mean you can argue all you want but the frogs don't care anymore now than they did before...

Not if but when I have a 75 Laying around it will be the standard size for my Whites. It like moving into a house, would you want a big house or a small house and money is not an option? most people would want the big house if they can get it. You have to understand that these are not animals like dogs or birds that are domesticated. They need a close replica of their natural environment to survive. They don't operate 2 feet of space in the wild, they cover miles. It's my opinion that they should be in a 40 gallon at least. I have no scientific proof but I have owned one for over a year and a half. It has been in 3 enclosures and as the enclosures got bigger it started growing faster and exploring along with hunting. What it would do in the wild. You can use what you want, I'm just sharing what I have observed.


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