Looking for new frog/frogs

[Larry Wardog]

What I do is leave open space for jumping in the middle of the tank, and wedge a bunch of horizontal branches at the very top and put lots of structure in the bottom. They sleep on the branches during the day and come down to the floor at night. The only time they jump around like you said is when they're stressed out, like right after I move their vivarium. If a 20 gallon is big enough for a whites tree frog, why wouldn't a 10 gallon be more than enough for a gray?

The more I observe the pair of WTF the more I think that for them to be at least content is a 40 gallon. I have them in a 30 and had them in a 18x18x24 and they just seem a little cramped. A 40 gallon is enough floor space and height. These frogs will use the whole tank, they are not always up on top of plants. Mine come down to the water at least half the night. When I am recommending to people about a WTF I am going to say at least a 40. They get 4-5 inches which would mean they would be miserable in a 20 gallon. I'm not trying to downplay anybody who keeps them, I'm just sharing my opinion. If it's a 20 gallon maybe a terrestrial species would work.


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[Dace]

The more I observe the pair of WTF the more I think that for them to be at least content is a 40 gallon. I have them in a 30 and had them in a 18x18x24 and they just seem a little cramped. A 40 gallon is enough floor space and height. These frogs will use the whole tank, they are not always up on top of plants. Mine come down to the water at least half the night. When I am recommending to people about a WTF I am going to say at least a 40. They get 4-5 inches which would mean they would be miserable in a 20 gallon. I'm not trying to downplay anybody who keeps them, I'm just sharing my opinion. If it's a 20 gallon maybe a terrestrial species would work.


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I don't keep whites, that's just what it says on the care sheet. Although I'm not sure how a frog indicates that it's cramped or miserable other than climbing around trying to escape.

[jasonm96]

So many care sheets I've read suggest the very minimum size of tank for any animal. When buying larger tanks than suggested, you're actually doing yourself a favour as well as the animal, as the substrate doesn't spoil so quickly and as a result, a complete tank clean out doesn't have to be so frequent. An animal could show stress with irregular activity for the animal, snout abrasions, going off food, decline in health, etc.

[Dace]

So many care sheets I've read suggest the very minimum size of tank for any animal. When buying larger tanks than suggested, you're actually doing yourself a favour as well as the animal, as the substrate doesn't spoil so quickly and as a result, a complete tank clean out doesn't have to be so frequent. An animal could show stress with irregular activity for the animal, snout abrasions, going off food, decline in health, etc.

Are irregular activity and snout abrasions not the same thing as trying to escape and decline in health and appetite just a given?

[jasonm96]

Not exactly cause irregular activity could be a species that's normally active being sluggish, not necessarily trying to escape. A decline in health from stress (which is shown with irregular activity or going off food) and effects the immune system and can lead to disease, which then would be another sign as it might get water faeces or spend a lot of time in the water.

[LilyPad]

As a grey owner, I would not recommend a 10 gallon for anything other than a hospital tank. As Jason said, there are other signs than just trying to escape. I started with my first grey in a 10 gallon, I recognized quickly that it wasn't enough space. These frogs are very active at night and need space to move and exercise. When I had one housed alone, I had him in a 20g high.

[Dace]

I'll bet that if you had a 75 lying around for the 1 frog instead of a 20 high the absolute minimum would magically become 75... Seriously though what other signs? Has anyone actually experienced them fist hand? What brought about this sudden change in gray's housing requirements... I mean you can argue all you want but the frogs don't care anymore now than they did before...