Gray Treefrog / Hyla versicolor and H chrysoscelis caresheet

[petebuster1]

Living in the UK I somehow doubt you ever have to deal with newly captive Gray Tree Frogs. I've found that males often require that feeding approach when newly captive - otherwise you end up having to starve them into taking food from a forceps.

I strongly suspect ive probably only (until recently) purchased wc ones,with a lot of stressful travelling on top and still no problem. I doubt very many are cb over here,i have finally found one breeder but thats it.But if i had newly captive ones that weren't eating, i suspect it would be because they are overly stressed (not that they seem overly sensitive) and would let them go back to their natural habitat if i happened to live not too far from the same area.
Maybe i'm wrong but in 20 years i've never come across a wc or cb frog that wont readily take food unless ill.I've kept greys for 8 years, rescued a few unwanted ones,not been properly cared for......etc and never come across one that wont readily eat unless its been ill.
Not disagreeing with you just something i've never come across in many years with several species

[Ra]

Sometimes I fond it fun to feed them by hand, at other times I toss the crickets right into the beautifully planted naturalistic terrarium.
On the one hand, these frogs are fairly active foragers, I've witnessed mine hopping about looking behind, under and between everything in the cage in search of food, so he's not lacking a workout there if he is hand fed regularly.
I've also never had any problems placing live food directly into the terrarium. A fair number of sow bugs live permanently inside the terrarium, and crickets don't last long once offered.
Some people seem to have this rather (IMO) ridiculous fear of their frogs eating the substrate. I'm not overly concerned with this. I keep my frogs in naturalistic terrariums with a substrate of additive free top soil with living or dried sheet moss over it. If the frog ingests a small amount of either of these (which I've never seen happen) I don't see it giving them the same kind of problems as bark chips, gravel or rough sand would, which I don't suggest that you use for that very reason anyway.
I'm unaware that recently captive male grays are fussy eaters that need to be coddled, mine ate like a pig from day one. But then of course, he didnt have to go through all the stress of being put into crowded holding cages until he was shipped over seas. It was a short trip from the woods to my living room for him, and he's done well ever since.
Though they are a common species here, I'm interested in breeding them.

When it gets right down to it, its really just a matter of the preferances of the keepers.

[petebuster1]

Sometimes I fond it fun to feed them by hand, at other times I toss the crickets right into the beautifully planted naturalistic terrarium.
On the one hand, these frogs are fairly active foragers, I've witnessed mine hopping about looking behind, under and between everything in the cage in search of food, so he's not lacking a workout there if he is hand fed regularly.
I've also never had any problems placing live food directly into the terrarium. A fair number of sow bugs live permanently inside the terrarium, and crickets don't last long once offered.
Some people seem to have this rather (IMO) ridiculous fear of their frogs eating the substrate. I'm not overly concerned with this. I keep my frogs in naturalistic terrariums with a substrate of additive free top soil with living or dried sheet moss over it. If the frog ingests a small amount of either of these (which I've never seen happen) I don't see it giving them the same kind of problems as bark chips, gravel or rough sand would, which I don't suggest that you use for that very reason anyway.
I'm unaware that recently captive male grays are fussy eaters that need to be coddled, mine ate like a pig from day one. But then of course, he didnt have to go through all the stress of being put into crowded holding cages until he was shipped over seas. It was a short trip from the woods to my living room for him, and he's done well ever since.
Though they are a common species here, I'm interested in breeding them.

When it gets right down to it, its really just a matter of the preferances of the keepers.

yes i agree i think its preference rather than a need,as i say i've never come across one that needs help in feeding.The only crickets i remove are dead ones,they dont survive long if not eaten..
I agree with you on the substrate,again maybe they might take some in if the cricket has some stuck to it or something but then they probably would in the wild but it seems to have no ill effects(additive free soil of course), i think sometimes we can be over cautious, nature knows best.Providing we provide the right enviroment i think they are quite capable of taking care of themselves

[PsKloveP]

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[Lady Leean]

Hi

I have 4 gray tree frogs an I was thinking about starting a community tank. Does any one have any ideas for plants, fish, and reptiles that could coexist well with each other and the gray tree frogs.

Thanks

[Rae]

Hi

I have 4 gray tree frogs an I was thinking about starting a community tank. Does any one have any ideas for plants, fish, and reptiles that could coexist well with each other and the gray tree frogs.

Thanks

You should post this in a new thread under tree frogs=)

But to help you out a bit #1 Rule NEVER MIX BREEDS (most Frogs including Greys have toxins that are harmful to other species)
also make sure your tank is large enough for 4 frogs ... rule to try and go by is 1 Frog per 10 Gallons.

I have a 18x18x24 exo terra that im allowed up to 4 greys because they are slightly smaller frog breed.

Also I hear pothos is one of the best and least likely to die terrarium plants =)
I currently only have plastic plants, some vines, hiding log, and I magnetic rock perch up high.. oo and a water dish of course for bathing.

Hope that Helps!
http://www.frogforum.net/frog-toad-c...heet-Info.html

If you havent read the link above its amazing and helpful!

[Rebel]

Lately i have been experimenting with outdoor housing for various animals, because it seems the best way to reproduce natural climatic conditions. I live in New York, where the weather is typical of the Grey Tree Frog's range. Does anyone have any ideas or experience regarding outdoor housing and breeding of Greys?

[bricklepickle]

Hello there, I currently have 5 baby grey tree frogs. I had 33, they have hardly grown and honestly it pains me to know I've had this many die on me. At first it was due to the weather changing and insects outside being scarce and a lack of a heat source but now they've had heat majority of the time and food every other day. However they do not get Calcium supplements. I'm honestly scared I'm going to give them too much and kill them that way. I really don't want the 5 remaining to die but I'm afraid they will so I'm desperate for any help. Maybe it's a lack of calcium so I was wondering how much a tiny tiny frog would need to be exact. Also is a heating rock going to burn a frog the size of a penny? Also I feed them medium sized cricket parts because pinheads never work out.

[bricklepickle]

[elly]

I don't think it's lack of calcium not at that age. What kind of water do you use, how frequently do you change it, what temperature is the tank? these things might help. Anyhow in the wild a lot of tadpoles don't make it, though you do seem to have a very high die-off rate.

[bricklepickle]

I'm currently using water from my red-eared slider aquarium. I don't change it, is usually dries up within two days from the heat lamp. I'm not entirely sure how hot the lamp gets.

[bhill368]

I keep getting a 404 error when clicking on the link to the link for the care and information sheet . Anyone else have this issue?

[John]

I strongly suspect ive probably only (until recently) purchased wc ones,with a lot of stressful travelling on top and still no problem. I doubt very many are cb over here,i have finally found one breeder but thats it.But if i had newly captive ones that weren't eating, i suspect it would be because they are overly stressed (not that they seem overly sensitive) and would let them go back to their natural habitat if i happened to live not too far from the same area.

I was talking about wild caught only. I'm from Europe - I know how it works with regard to American species. In fact I used to live in England and was very friendly with British Herpetological Supply. The ones that get to you after being recently wild caught have been in captivity for a while - those that didn't eat were probably dead before they reached the UK, or on their way out.

Catching my own tree frogs in the wild, I've found that many freak out when faced with a prey item on the end of a forceps - for example they will leap straight into the tank wall to get away from it or even onto you. Those same frogs will eat when placed in a margarine tub for an hour with food items (with the top closed). Some will hunt food down in their terrarium but when they share that terrarium with others that are not afraid, they rarely get to the food first.

I don't have 20 years of experience but I have spent quite some time observing these animals in the wild and more recently in captivity.

[petebuster1]

I was talking about wild caught only. I'm from Europe - I know how it works with regard to American species. In fact I used to live in England and was very friendly with British Herpetological Supply. The ones that get to you after being recently wild caught have been in captivity for a while - those that didn't eat were probably dead before they reached the UK, or on their way out.

Catching my own tree frogs in the wild, I've found that many freak out when faced with a prey item on the end of a forceps - for example they will leap straight into the tank wall to get away from it or even onto you. Those same frogs will eat when placed in a margarine tub for an hour with food items (with the top closed). Some will hunt food down in their terrarium but when they share that terrarium with others that are not afraid, they rarely get to the food first.

I don't have 20 years of experience but I have spent quite some time observing these animals in the wild and more recently in captivity.

i think i'd freak out if someone stuck food in my face when i'm used to hunting for it all i'm saying is imo there is no need for the tub they should eat of their own accord in a near natural enviroment,enough food will walk into their line of fire, if not better to take them back to where you caught them.They are better off in the wild and it does bother me when i see greys and others available here and wonder how many didn't make it.

[SirIvy]

This care sheet helped me raise four gray treefrogs from newly hatched tadpoles this past summer.

I noticed that no matter how much I worked to keep all the conditions ideal while they were growing that some were just not meant to make it. One tadpole went through metamorphosis very quickly and is now just under two inches long. The other three grew a little slower and haven't grown as quickly as the other. One even has a weird half underbite but other than that is perfectly healthy.

I had some tadpoles that took forever to change. They were extremely small froglets and had trouble eating.

[John]

I noticed that no matter how much I worked ... some were just not meant to make it

This is absolutely true, unfortunately, and perfectly natural. Nature tries different approaches for each tadpole but many are failures.

[frog]

Just an FYI, I caught a wild Grey this year for the first time. I see the comments on feeding and with my brief experience with my Grey he does fine finding food in his tank with no help or feeding with tweezers. he adapted to captivity almost overnight and seem very happy. I just drop the food in his feed bowl, where sometimes he will wait there to be feed. what ever crawls out he hunts down at night or the next day.I do feed him wild caught moths,crickets, and any other small bugs i find as a treat, never any problems. Same diet he would have in the wild. I live on a large piece of property and don't use pesticides so i see no harm. I would not recommend wild caught food for close urban property's. Main diet of meal worms. He lives in a water/land tank with filtered water and live Safe for frogs plants. no water bowl. Hope this helps on feeding for anyone reading.

[Kurt]

I would feed him a little bit more than mealworms.