thanks Jen and yes from both stores and at different times. Actually, the first two I received were bought from a toy store. As far as describing symptoms, the frog(s) would usually be in a constant tattered shed stage and looking paler then they should. Then no eating or much moving, they would just float at the top for hours or lay low at the bottom and not move. Then followed by what looks to be a desperate attempt to leave the water. Some would flip upside down (belly up) on the substrate and either just lay there or attempt to right themselves. During this whole period most would have some type of hematoma or swollen red patch, usually seen on their throat or belly.