Whites Tree Frog - Looking very poorly

[elly]

Find a powder with Calcium and vitamin d. Or else one with those plus a multivitamin. Put a little of it into a jar with a lid, put the bug in and shake it. There, powdered bug. The powder will come off pretty quickly so you might have to powder it again if the bug's not taken soon.

If the frog's not climbing because of lack of calcium then the deficiency's progressed pretty far so powdering alone might not solve everything. Plus the real problem might not be a deficiency but a parasite or something. So that's why I recommended the vet.

[fusss]

Hi

I have answered the questions below as requested.

I have since dusted crickets and waxworms. He ate 2 worms about 3 days ago but nothing since then. No crickets have been touched by him.

I have given him warm baths and tried to feed with tongs but no interest at all. He did however 2 nights ago climb up the side of the tank and even jumped a little. But now just sitting on the floor very dark and sooooo skinny.

Almost looks as though he is sucking his belly in at the sides he;s that skinnY!



1----what 'kind' of frog is it ( what species)
Whites Tree Frog

2----please include a photo of the frog
I have a jpeg file but it says 'not valid image file' when I try to upload as attachment

3----Please include a photo of the frog's current enclosure
As above

4----size of enclosure ( W" x D" x H" )
Not sure exactly but it is standard for this set up, acquired from very reputable private outlet, not a chain.

5----# on inhabitants - ( if there is another frog --- is there a size difference ? )
There was 1 other WTF, who was usually much fatter but lost weight very quickly and passed away suddenly

6----has or was the frog kept with a different species or with any other tank mate
As above

7----is there a new tank mate----was the new tank mate quarantined
No

8----what is the typical humidity level
50-60

9----what temperature is maintained
80-85 during day
75-80 during night

10---what is, specifically, being used to maintain the temperature of the enclosure
Heat pad on outside side of enclosure

11---describe the enclosure lighting ( very specifically)
Not sure on specifics but UV lamp above the enclosure, 8 hours on.

12---describe enclosure maintenance ( water changes, cleaning etc)
Water changed daily when possible, if not then every other day. Full clean out monthly.

13---what kind of water is used
-----for misting - untreated tap water
-----for the frog's soaking dish - untreated tap water
-----is de-chlorinator used / what brand untreated tap water

14---material(s) used for substrate - be very specific
Bark

15---enclosure set up:
-----if recent - describe how the enclosure was cleaned - Hot water, no soap
-----plants( live or artificial) if artificial plants are used are they plastic or fabric - Fabric plants
-----describe wood, bark , and background materials - Log and bark used in enclosure


16---when is the last time the frog ate
Approx 3 days ago.

17---have you found poop lately
Not in last 3 days

18---how often is the frog fed
Crickets placed in tank every other day unless there is lots still running around

19---what size feeder is given
Medium crickets

20---what other feeders are used as treats
Wax worms

21---what is the frog's main food source
Crickets

22---do feeders roam free in the enclosure or is the frog bowl fed
Roam Free

23---vitamins - what brand and how often
None24---calcium - what brand and how often
None

25---was the frog without calcium for any period of time
Never dusted

26---approximate age of the frog
18 months

27---how long have you owned the frog
1 year

28---who cared for the frog before you
Reputable reptile shop

29---is the frog wild caught or captive bred
Captive

30---how often the frog is handled -- are gloves used ( what kind of gloves)
Once a week approx, wash hands with warm water before no soap. No gloves

31---is the enclosure kept in a high or low traffic area
Very low

30---has or was the frog properly quarantined (yes or no)
-----for how long
N/A


32---has the frog been treated with any medication:
-----for what
-----name of medication
-----for how long
-----what dose
-----was medication prescribed by a herp vet

N/A

[Sunshine]

The image uploader is not working but if you have a photobucket, flickr, instagram etc. account you can upload from there. That is what I have been doing. A picture would be very helpful.
I am not an expert so someone correct me if I am wrong but here are a few things I noticed:

Lighting- I would increase lighting to 12+ hours per day

Water- If you are going to use tap water it should be treated with a water conditioner (Prime, Reptisafe, API Stress Coat, Tetra Aquasafe etc.)

Substrate- I would get rid of the bark and put moist paper towels down for now so you will be able to see the poo. The bark poses an impaction risk if he were to accidentally ingest a piece. When he gets better you can switch to a coco fiber substrate. (Eco Earth, Plantation Soil etc.)

You say you are dusting his food items now. May I ask what you are using?

I hope this helps and if I forgot anything someone let me know.

[fusss]

Here is a photo of him;
http://s35.photobucket.com/user/vict...G0842.jpg.html

When you say use paper towels, how many should you use, and how wet should they be? does anyone have any photos of how this should be set up?

I am not sure on the brand but we also have a leopard gecko that we used to dust, so its the same pot.

[Sunshine]

Here is a pic I found to show the paper towel as substrate. It should be enough to cover the bottom of the enclosure- maybe just two layers thick- as it will need to be changed when it gets soiled. I would wet the paper towels thoroughly and squeeze the excess water out.

I found a dusting powder that is available in the UK. It's also the only one I found and I don't know if it is any good but I figure it is worth a try.
http://www.amazon.co.uk/Komodo-Premi.../dp/B006314AE2 you may need to copy and post it into your browser, sorry.

Also, the cricket in the picture seems a bit big for your frog. I would try a smaller size. A good rule to go by would be the feeder should not be bigger than the distance between the frog's eyes. Is there a place around there that sells butterworms? They are high in fat and calcium and frogs seem to love them. I would also get some unflavored pedialyte and let him soak in it to get some electrolytes and energy back. I think the ratio is 1 part pedialyte to 10 parts dechlorinated water. Try the soak and then see if he will eat for you.

[elly]

If the humidity's good I wouldn't bother wetting the paper towel. Just mist the tank a little.

And yeah, chlorine and stuff can make a frog sick. Treating the water is important. Also, distilled water shouldn't be used.

[irThumper]

Dry paper toweling will tend to stick to the frogs and pull up. Plus it will get wet anyway when they exit the water dish, so might as well dampen it a bit to begin with. I use a squeezable condiment bottle to dampen paper towels. Try to find a clear one that is food grade and BPA free.