Was wondering if someone could help Id these pacmans?

[monster]

I found out today what kind the first pic is 100%. I called Kim at the frog ranch and talked directly to him and he clarified for me that it is just a cranwelli morph. Im still going to buy it on Friday because I think it is a very nice looking frog. And I have seen and held him and it looks healthy and he fed him a cricket and he had a great feeding response. Cant wait, going to put his home together tonight.

[Revosok]

The second one looks a lot like a fantasy. The first one looks like an ornate.

[monster]

I knew the first one wasn't an Ornata right away. I was thinking more of Joazeirenses for both at first because these look similar to a few pictures I seen but I found out the other day from reading the frog ranch website that they don't breed this kind so that ruled that out right away. The second one on his website is labeled as a Cranwelli ( the morph name is lipstick), the rainbow one however wasn't on there so that's why I called the frog ranch personally and was lucky enough to have Kim the owner answer the phone. After some discussion with him we sorted it out that it is just one of his nice Cranwelli morphs.

[Cliygh and Mia 2]

Cool!

[Revosok]

Now looking at the first one again, I can't see the false eyes.

[GRABibus]

The first one looks like an ornate.

No, the first one can't be an ornata
Pattern is not the one of an ornata, and there are no false eyes spots.

[monster]

They are both C. cranwelli 100%, and I knew from the minute I seen them they were not Ornata. No eye spots and yes the pattern doesn't match. The guy I talked to on the phone today is the guy that breeded these frogs. If you go look at the frog ranch website there is a picture of the lipstick morph on there.