WTF has Red Leg

[irThumper]

Frogger00, it is imperative you get your frog tested so you know what it is you are dealing with, otherwise you could cause him more problems with improper treating regimes/medications.

For actual "Red Leg Syndrome" look up "bacterial dermatosepticemia".

"Red leg syndrome has been attributed to the bacterium
Aeromonas hydrophila without appropriate
diagnostic investigation. Clinical signs of red leg syndrome
may be caused by other infectious agents including,
but not limited to, ranaviruses (e.g., tadpole
edema virus, frog virus-3), other bacteria (T able
13.1), Chlamydia psittaci (Newcomer et ai., 1982),
and Basidiobolus ranarum (Taylor et ai., 1995). Additionally
there are noninfectious causes of ventral
erythema that are usually transient, such as may be
caused by contact with a heated substrate, chemical
irritation or the stress of being handled."
(Quote: Amphibian Medicine and Captive Husbandry, pg 162)

Also read here: http://ilarjournal.oxfordjournals.or.../48/3/235.long

I know one drop is a little large, but not by much actually. 1/2 gallon: 1 drop melafix. His water dish is just under 1/2 a gallon. He does not have any open sores, which is really good! No I haven't been rinsing him afterwards. Why should I?

I know you guys are going to give me a lot of flack for saying this, but a vet is no help. Frogs are extremely complex creatures and not enough research or testing has been put into them for me to trust a vets advice. The only thing a vet can tell me is that Oliver for sure has red leg, and that's it. He only meds he would be given are Baytril or Panacur, which I can easily get myself, and save 200$.

Herpvet- you tell me a medication that has successfully treated redleg. To my knowledge, there is no cure for the time being. All I can do is trial and error, just like a vet would do.

Honestly you guys, there is no 'specific' medication or treatment for red leg. I've done hours of research, and all I can do is try different treatments and hope for the best. I'm quite aware that he is close to he end of his life. Wether i medicate or not, he could die. On a positive note, I may be picking up a male in the near future for my breeding plans, as Oliver is obviously in no shape for breeding this year.

Hope I didn't offend anyone, this is just how I see it.


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[Frogger00]

Frogger00, it is imperative you get your frog tested so you know what it is you are dealing with, otherwise you could cause him more problems with improper treating regimes/medications.

For actual "Red Leg Syndrome" look up "bacterial dermatosepticemia".

"Red leg syndrome has been attributed to the bacterium
Aeromonas hydrophila without appropriate
diagnostic investigation. Clinical signs of red leg syndrome
may be caused by other infectious agents including,
but not limited to, ranaviruses (e.g., tadpole
edema virus, frog virus-3), other bacteria (T able
13.1), Chlamydia psittaci (Newcomer et ai., 1982),
and Basidiobolus ranarum (Taylor et ai., 1995). Additionally
there are noninfectious causes of ventral
erythema that are usually transient, such as may be
caused by contact with a heated substrate, chemical
irritation or the stress of being handled."
(Quote: Amphibian Medicine and Captive Husbandry, pg 162)

Also read here: http://ilarjournal.oxfordjournals.or.../48/3/235.long

Thank you for this information, but I already have read this. All illnesses in frogs are "cured" with either Baytril or Panacur. Both of which I can treat with myself, but I prefer natural treatments on my animals.


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[LilyPad]

You "natural" treatments are not working and you've admitted he will likely die...how is that a preferable result?

I'm quite aware that he is close to he end of his life

Please do not get another or breed them until you're ready to care for them properly.

[Herpvet]

Thank you for this information, but I already have read this. All illnesses in frogs are "cured" with either Baytril or Panacur. Both of which I can treat with myself, but I prefer natural treatments on my animals.

Sorry but that's utter rubbish about baytril and panacur. There are plenty of drugs used with varying degrees of pharmacokinetic and anecdotal backup in amphibians.

The whole point is that the vet does not have to use trial and error like you do - he/she can carry out appropriate tests. And even if resorting to educated guess (likely more educated than you, with all due respect), he/she has access to a wide range of drug treatment options, and is in a position to consider appropriate drug, dosage, route of administration and other factors which can all combine to maximise the chance for the animal.

[Crispy42]

If you are worried about the stress of a trip to the vet, keep in mind that all of these home treatments are also causing stress to his system. You say you think he's going to die anyway now, so the trip to the vet is necessary. I have nothing against natural remedies and use them myself often, but you need to accept when a problem is serious enough to require professional medical help, and to be honest your frog has been at that point for a while now. Shortly after I got my WTFs one of them looked so sick I thought he would die, but he survived the vet visit just fine and a cheap and simple course of baytril had him back to 100% health again. You CAN save Oliver's life, but you need to get him help from a vet.

you mention the expense of the vet visit, so I wonder if this is really a matter of money? I understand being low on money, but you say you are going to buy another frog and breed (which will be an incredibly expensive endeavor) - put that money towards saving the frog you are already responsible for!