LLL Reptile+ USAFrogs.com = RUN

[deranged chipmunk]

That is why I always recommend buying darts from a well known, respected, private dealer. One that can tell you the lineage of the frog(s) without hesitation. Not all breeders can do that. Not even Josh's, as Paul can attest to.


Education is the most powerful weapon we can use to change the world ~ Nelson Mandela

[ColleenT]

that said, i have purchased healthy reptiles from LLL before and their supplies are well priced.

[LilyPad]

that said, i have purchased healthy reptiles from LLL before and their supplies are well priced.

Yes, my red eyes from them are very healthy.

Paul, have you contacted them through their website to find out of if that's what they are doing?

[Tzunu un]

Two posters on the Dendroboard contacted LLL and they confirmed that they do some business with USA Frogs.

ZookeeperDoug (post#1542)
http://www.dendroboard.com/forum/gen...safrog-39.html

planted-tnk-guy (post#1561)
http://www.dendroboard.com/forum/gen...safrog-40.html


From these posts, it's apparent LLL is now also aware of the concerns and has been listening / forthcoming with discussing. So, if anyone has questions, they should contact LLL directly.


I personally have a hard time supporting businesses that go against my principles.

I too have purchased from LLL in the past and had a good experience, so I hope this issue resolves.

[DigitalPunk]

I have done a fair amount of business with LLL and had them up on the same level as Josh's frogs for beginners in the hobby.

As Bill said the issue I have come across with Josh's frogs recently is they can not with any certainty tell you the lineage of the frogs you purchase from them. Mostly it is because they have multiple breeding pairs and don't keep the off spring separate (which I don't fault them on), but the more I learn about the hobby and the more I get involved in breeding the more I value having those questions answered.


Back on topic.

I have not contacted LLL. I had a couple other issues with them recently and this just pushed me over the edge. I am not sure what they could do now to salvage me as a returning customer. Which makes me sad.


This threads original intent was to bring the fact that LLL is buying and reselling frogs from USAFrogs to the attention of this community. It is up to each person to do with that information what they see to be the best choice for them.

[Tzunu un]

Today, LLL Reptile posted a letter on the Dendroboard thread mentioned above.

They state that they have suspended doing business with USAFrogs and have formally requested that USAFrogs stop producing hybrid dart frogs.


It is a nice gesture that they listened to the concerns.

I hope that this prompts other businesses / resellers to follow their lead and do the same.

[DigitalPunk]

That is excellent news thanks for updating us.