Giant Waxy Monkey Frog help.

[Lija]

The last pic is a female. Sry not able to go through the thread now, will hopefully do so tomorrow. Are you testing/treating guys for parasites? I also suggest to do full on quarantine for everybody separately until tests are negative and you are sure everybody are ok, eating/pooping. Cover the sides or think of something so they won't see much around, it will minimize their stress levels and help them heal better. It's especially the case with recent imports like yours. Also watch for the nose rubs, if flamazine not helping much, get some systemic antibiotics. I found combination of both is the best, but it's doesn't look too bad to use a heavy stuff yet.

[Diver]

Hi Lija, yes the last pic is the female from the first ones I bought. It looks like all four new ones are male to me. A trip to the vet yesterday has swabs taken for chytrid and ranavirus, but I won't get the test results back for ten days or more.
Much faster was a fecal exam (there was a sample in the box one of them came in and also a new one in the cage yesterday morning) which was done immediately by Gary at Cambridge Reptiles for me. Both were positive for small amounts of worm eggs and protozoan.
As far as separate quarantine is concerned, I housed the new ones together as they were shipped together and have been kept in the same enclosure together for the last 6 weeks, I assumed that if one has chytrid of ranavirus then they all would? Or might this not be the case? (They are being kept separate from my original of course)
I've ordered some Metronidazole (Flagyl 250mg tabs) and some Panancur (100ml bottle with 1 ml of suspension containing 100 mg active ingredient fenbendazole),
but I'm finding contradictory information about doseage. The frogs weigh around 100g, any suggestions from anyone who has used these medications with frogs successfully before?
The frogs have also been started on Baytril baths (10% oral solution dissolved at 0.5ml to 100ml water) due to the amount of infected abrasions (hands/feet as well as noses/mouths). The instructions are for 6-8 hours over 5 days but the frogs aren't keen to sit in it that long. I'm sure I read on here 15 min baths were the normal recommendation but I can't find it now. Again, can anyone suggest what the tried and tested method for bathing frogs in Baytril is?

I'm asking for a lot of help again it seems! Hopefully this thread will serve to help others considering this species. I'd love to think that it becomes possible to breed these in captivity, the availability of CB animals would reduce the demand for WC animals which from what I've seen to date can only be a good thing.

[Lija]

I'll pm you with the dosage a bit later, have very limited time now, pls remind me if I forget.
Thats great, you do everything right! you are also right that whatever one have, everybody will. The reason for separate qt is so you can monitor everybody separately, without anybody possibly bullying anyone.,you can clearly see who is eating, who is pooping and how. Also when you start treating and do control testing afterwards, you will be able to do so separately, because you know who's poop is where. It is possible, that someone needs more meds or longer treatment cycle, this way you don't need to repeatedly treat everybody, only those who need it as well you minimize the risk of possible reinfection between frogs.

[Diver]

Thank you Lija! That's really helpful Understood about separating for quarantine period now, I'll look at providing a set of smaller mesh cages. I've got an entire room solely devoted to this project so I can just heat the whole room accordingly to keep it simple.

[Diver]

Well this group is behaving in a similar way to the original frog. Almost never moving, not eating that I'm aware of. There is the odd poop appearing now and then though, and they do go to the water bowl to hydrate. The sores are clearing up nicely and don't appear infected any more. All movements are very lethargic even when picked up and this morning this guy was sitting on the floor with his mouth wide open and a very dark colour. I moved him to edge of the water bowl but he doesn't look in good shape to me:



For comparison to the 'normal' colour:



On the other hand, I managed to pick up a further 4 yesterday which had come from the same Hamm show and were in a shop on the south coast about a 4 hour drive away:









This group is like chalk and cheese compared to the others, they were very active and climbing and leaping to get out of the travelling box both when we put them in and on arrival back home. Two were even in amplexus at the shop (where they were in a relatively small vivarium with moss, branches and plants and being kept moister than mine).
Much more what I would consider normal behaviour compared with mine which sit there and remain asleep even when picked up. More fuel for the mystery !

I'm still awaiting results of chytrid and ranavirus tests...

[Cliygh and Mia 2]

So are there no reports of Captive Bred GWMFs? Or do they act in the same manner as adults and get nose rub anyways? Because if they were in amplexus, after they heal you should try to breed those ones

[Sunshine]

I hope you end up with at least one breeding pair!