Giant Waxy Monkey Frog help.

[Diver]

Spoke to the vet yesterday, he's adamant that the presence of malamoeba is harmless to the frog and not even entirely harmful to the livefood so I think it can be ruled out. It would also make sense as the issues with these frogs have been present ever since I bought them.
He also agrees that chytrid would have likely finished this animal off long ago if it came with it from the wild, although points out that anything could be lying dormant in the frog's system which can flare up under stress etc.
It seems we've reached the end of medical intervention so I guess it's up to the animal itself now.

[irThumper]

Chytrid is still being studied, so we don't know all of its mysteries yet. My Butter Bean died 29 days after I got him, and Pole Bean lingered 13 more days. Pole Bean was sick and lethargic looking from the day of unboxing while Butter looked and acted seemingly perfectly normal. Your pics LOOK like Chytrid to me, BUT other diseases can have the same symptoms. I would do some skin swabs of your frog to test for Chytrid and whatever other disease can be tested for topically. I'm sorry you've had so many problems with them, I know the feeling

Oh, I would also take the remaining frog out of the big set up and get him into a basic QT tank, something you can manage to break down and disinfect with 10% blach solution every to every other day (clean and bleach food and water dishes daily).

[Strider18]

Sorry to hear about your froggies I don't mean to go off topic here, but are you going to make a build thread for that 8 x 8 x 8 you mentioned? I really hope it gets healed and better, keep us updated!

[Diver]

Sorry to hear about your froggies I don't mean to go off topic here, but are you going to make a build thread for that 8 x 8 x 8 you mentioned? I really hope it gets healed and better, keep us updated!

Hi Strider,

The project is a little set back at the moment but if I'm able to go ahead I'll put a build thread on, yes. My plan was/is to obtain a group of at least 6-8 bicolor, get them healthy and conditioned and then attempt a breeding project. Unfortunately the first hurdles are proving the most difficult!
This time next week I'll be at the Hamm show and if any are available I'll be bringing them home. My first actions will be to get them screened for Chytrid and get fecals done immediately. If things go well and they are healthy I'll continue the build and the project will go ahead.
Only the base has been built so far, but the finished build is to be a room with controlled ventilation, temperature and humidity with a pond and sprinkler system. The idea of course is to simulate as closely as possible the natural environment with the ability to replicate the changing seasons to attempt the necessary stimulation.
If we get to that stage all that's left is to keep fingers crossed!

[Strider18]

Hi Strider,

The project is a little set back at the moment but if I'm able to go ahead I'll put a build thread on, yes. My plan was/is to obtain a group of at least 6-8 bicolor, get them healthy and conditioned and then attempt a breeding project. Unfortunately the first hurdles are proving the most difficult!
This time next week I'll be at the Hamm show and if any are available I'll be bringing them home. My first actions will be to get them screened for Chytrid and get fecals done immediately. If things go well and they are healthy I'll continue the build and the project will go ahead.
Only the base has been built so far, but the finished build is to be a room with controlled ventilation, temperature and humidity with a pond and sprinkler system. The idea of course is to simulate as closely as possible the natural environment with the ability to replicate the changing seasons to attempt the necessary stimulation.
If we get to that stage all that's left is to keep fingers crossed!

*Crosses fingers* Hope everything goes well!

[Diver]

Well I had to make a judgement call so I went for the treating for Chytrid option. I did a 5 minute bath of 1ml Itraconazole in 100ml of water once a day for 7 days. Hopefully this means that Chytrid is no longer a possibility. Frog seems fine, I'm hopeful of a recovery from whatever it was!

Went to the Hamm show at the weekend and came back with these four poor souls





















They are currently in a Reptibreeze Flexarium and the infected rubs are being treated with Flamazine. I've emptied the 'shower stall' vivarium and disinfected and bleached the hell out of it. After talking to the main guy at one of Europe's biggest frog dealers, I'm going with a different approach from the previous naturalistic set-up. More on that to follow....

[monster]

Hey diver, nice to see your last one from the previous group is feeling and looking better. To save yourself problems and more heart ache I would get these fecal tested as soon as you can and have them tested for chytrid. Maybe the vet you are seeing at the moment will cut you a deal or something, I know it can get expensive. Poor guys, they look like they are rough shape.

[Diver]

Sounds sensible irThumper, I think I'll get a Reptibreeze this weekend and put him in that with a simple set up. It seems that bicolor can happily tolerate temperatures up to the mid 80s F but Chytrid does not so a rise in temperature would seem in order too. Can't see any harm in this course of action and obviously if Chytrid is present then it would certainly be helpful.
I can get him to the vet next week in the set up to keep things as low stress as possible for swabs.

Now, from your experience what is it about this frog that points to Chytrid in your opinion? If the evidence is strong enough I do have another potential course of action. As it will take a while to get a result from tests, I COULD start treatment with Itraconazole now (I have some here). The trade off is any possible side effects from administering Itraconazole to an animal that might have something else entirely. It seems you have recent experience and good advice from herp vet over there, what are your thoughts?