Giant Waxy Monkey Frog help.

[Diver]

OK, tracked down some unflavoured electrolyte and the frogs had their 20 minute bath. They weren't energetic and fell back asleep without much of a struggle. I'll monitor them for the next couple of days but if no food is taken I'm think I'm going to have to consider force feeding

[Diver]

Time for an update! Overall, good news I think, they're both still alive in any case. Lija's suggestion of an electrolyte bath seemed to work well. The footage over the next few days showed activity - not a huge amount, but perhaps more like what I would expect. I haven't actually seen feeding, but it's possible as there are a number of places in the vivarium not covered by the camera so that's inconclusive.
The only small worry was yesterday morning after the lights came on I found the slightly smaller individual wondering around the floor looking emaciated and dehydrated. I went to grab the things I needed for another electrolyte bath but by the time I came back he/she had found the water bowl and was sitting in it so I poured the electrolyte solution in there instead. I didn't think he would last the day as he looked really unwell but to my surprise when I came home from work I found him sitting on the edge of the bowl looking really good again:



I didn't take a 'before' photo, but trust me, he looked really bad.
He hasn't moved a muscle since then and is still perched on the water bowl this morning 24 hours later. The other one also hasn't moved for a couple of nights:



Really hard to tell what's going on with these guys. When in the roosting position, they both look really well (and quite chubby), but when walking around they look very thin and under nourished. I think it's clear that they are struggling to stay hydrated so for the moment I've switched the fan off completely and maintaining the humidity at 60% with the fogger and misting to see how we go. Feeding-wise it's possible they are eating and then sleeping for extended periods afterwards which I believe is normal behaviour? I'm going to try and set further cameras up to see if I can shed some light on this.

Incidentally, as far as sexing is concerned. I was aware of the nose profile method with sauvagii, but I didn't know that applied to bicolor too. Here's a better shot of the profile of the slightly smaller one:



To my untrained eye, looks like maybe I have one of each?

[Diver]

Still struggling with these guys. They look constantly dehydrated to me. I gave them another electrolyte bath a few days ago after which the larger one sought out the higher of the two water bowls in the vivarium and soaked herself for a fair while afterwards. The smaller one just went back to sleep on the leaf I put him on until this morning when I found him on the floor looking unwell again and with partially sloughed skin. I gave him another electrolyte bath and put him back and this time this one sought out a water bowl and got in for a soak:











Currently the fogger is set at 60%, the fan comes on for 15 mins three times a day and the automatic mister comes on for 45 seconds three times a day. The vivarium is big and the screen area is large so it's pretty dry in there (never any condensation). Can I possibly be keeping them too dry? Is that even likely with this species under these conditions? Really open to suggestions!

[Lija]

They look perfectly happy and healthy to me and yep, the pic of the one on your hand is a boy
they don't look too skin either
do they poop? You need to send it to do a fecal test and treat them after.

[Cliygh and Mia 2]

Also, you could make/buy an arboreal water dish

[andaroo]

They look fine. I have had my 4 for a year now and had a rough start with them also, it took 4 months before they settled in and acted normal. They wouldn't eat on their own I had to force feed then they wouldn't poop, I had to also give electrolyte baths, at least yours don't have any wounds, mine were covered in them so on top of everything I had to treat those as well. They aren't too skinny, they do look thinner when they move around, I have one female that looks skinny but eats the same as the other female that looks really fat, they both move around the same amount so I guess some can be slimmer than others. I also have a male who is the smallest length wise but he is really fat and you would think he was a gravid female!(he's definitely not as he has called before) about the humidity issue... you don't have to worry about them being too dry, I think I mentioned it in a PM to you, I don't mist mine hardly ever, They have 2 x 75w heat lamps (exo terra swamp glo) and 1 x 35W Sun glo exo terra spot light the perches are about 12 inches below these bulbs. I also have a heat cable running underneath the tank as well. It gets about 28-32 degrees C in there and would be dry about 30-40%. I have read a lot that links higher humidity to health issues in these frogs. Because your enclosure is very tall you should try and incorporate a pool of water of some sort in the middle section of the tank like it was suggested. Don't go over board on these electrolyte baths either, everytime you handle these guys their stress levels go up and it will take them even longer to settle in. I covered the sides and front of the tank too for a month or so so they couldn't see out to see if it helped them feel more secure I think it may have helped but I can't say for sure, so maybe try that and leave them to it.

[Diver]

Thanks for the input guys, I'm glad you think they look healthy. My concern for them stems from the death of the third member of the group a week after I got them and their behaviour (not moving, not eating, not pooping, not hydrating). Well, they have both found a water bowl at least once or twice each now, so that last point may be improving.
I do have two water bowls in there, one is on the floor and the other is half way up (about a meter off the ground on the tree trunk). The male has located the floor bowl twice now and the female the higher one once so this is progress.
Since my last update two days ago, the male has crawled out of the water bowl and has stayed motionless on the floor. A tree frog on the ground is worrying to me.